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look and it's got to go I have an

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Kevin and it

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Kevin's a former minister turned

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whistleblower of a large-scale

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conspiracy involving church and state in

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Canada this is a story that by the way

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has been proven true it's acknowledged

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by the Canadian government and it's also

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a story I think about the nature of evil

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and how it is often hiding in some of

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the most unexpected places here are some

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clips from the show a particular group

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is targeted we have those group as less

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than human so we can do all sorts of

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things all sorts of sexual abuse and

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rape and torture of the worst kind we

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can do experimentation and ultimately we

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can do murder the problem these days

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with the internet is that people are so

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overwhelmed by a lot of allegations but

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they never really backed up with hard

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evidence the thing that's unique about

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my story is not only that I'm still

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alive but that I've systematically

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documented this from the beginning and

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the perfect that I've never been sued by

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anybody he's proof right there because

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if this was wrong and I was making it up

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there having in court like that to shut

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most people don't find anything normal

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about that taking these kids forcing

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them to into these schools which are

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death camps and then knowing that

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significant marshals kids are going to

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be abused physically sexually raped you

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know then that's not normal well I'll

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give you an example um one of the first

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forms we held in Vancouver a white woman

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came and she was almost evenly wet

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person there was almost all native

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survivors of these death camps and her

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name is Mary McFarlane and she's

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described how she worked in the Alberta

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residential school and she got fired

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because one day she found a matron

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taking a piano leg and beating a little

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Indian girl to death with it and so

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Marian knocks out the woman doing that

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she defends a liliani girl John Andrews

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the principal fires her for doing that

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and he says anything that happened to

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that little [\h__\h] would have been better

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than losing that woman because she plays

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organ and church on Sunday you talked

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about how they're now kind of even

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co-opting the digging up of these mass

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grave sites which are really crime

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scenes but there's somehow recasting

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this as just a way of oh yeah you know

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some bad things did happen there and

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some kids got hurt and that's really

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sorry that they died on those farm

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implements and we'll just move all the

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evidence over here well you know the

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best example of that is when we did the

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dig the only thing that's ever happened

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at a mass grave site at a residential

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school we I was invited by the Grand

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River Mohawks in Ontario to come and dig

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at the site of the oldest residential

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schools for the Mohawk school Anglican

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Church Church of England ranted and

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let's just be clear that they wanted you

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to dig because they felt that they knew

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they knew them well they thought I mean

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Leona Moses other people who had dug the

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graves and put their fellow students in

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the ground we went over we got experts

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we've got ground-penetrating radar we

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had two forensic specialists coming in

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archaeologists did did the dig within an

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hour we found bones and buttons wrapped

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in the roots of the tree because he used

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to plant trees on top of the graves some

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public relations they call it the

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inoculation strategy you inoculate

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people with an idea and then dump they

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get so used to hearing it that they're

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they're they're inoculated against

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and saying wait a minute what's going on

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it's a gradual process of normalizing a

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horrible thing and that's how they did

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one of the way to do it right what was

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it like sitting with and experiencing

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the pain of others because I think

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that's something else that for really

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going to be honest most of us shield

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ourselves from you didn't when I was in

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the church and people would get up and

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speak from the pulpit it shocked me but

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it didn't rock my world yet because it

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was still abstract it's only when I lost

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my own children and I saw how the church

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brutally my children for me then began

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be open to the fact that they may have

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heard other children because I saw what

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they did to my own children and me

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so you need a personal experience to

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hang it on right what about beyond that

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because you've gone much further I

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mentioned satanic ritual abuse which

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immediately is going to shuttle out of

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people down because they've been

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conditioned to think that that can't

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possibly be true it's satanic panic it's

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all the rest of this stuff that if

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anyone investigates I find that it's

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that's not the case that it is a reality

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how do you get there you haven't

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experienced that well I've had

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experience when I was a minister in Port

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then I conducted other ones I came face

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to face with something and it's very

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difficult to try to put into words but

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it confirming with the reality of this

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this evil do you believe that people

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have spiritually transformative

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experiences and II believe that those

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spiritually transformative spiritual and

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I can't look into another person's soul

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and say you know I know what they're

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going through I don't have the religious

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belief that one person can do that for

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another but put it this way

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the abolitionist movement he in his

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biography he describes how his slave

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master had a religious conversion became

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a Methodist born-again Methodist so he

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expected the slave masters then release

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all the slaves and no he became even

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more brutal because he had gone on the

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side and if you have a genuine spiritual

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saying why do you need a church we can

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both be true can I mean look I'm not a

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Christian I'm not religious so I'm kind

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of playing devil's advocate here and

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being a minister I know exactly what

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you're talking about the majority of my

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parishioners were there because it's a

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social club just a spiritual calling is

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very personal and it's not part of a

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group Quakers have a saying God gets

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lost in a crowd and I think that that's

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true but it boils down to a simple moral

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and legal fact that if you're part of an

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institution that's committing crime it

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doesn't matter what your spiritual

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beliefs are you're part of a crime

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you're putting money in a collection

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plate you're associated with them you're

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an accessory to a crime so we say to

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people what does that have to do with

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the spiritual coin you can't be part of

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that if you're a moral

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person forget about spirituality let's

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just talk about morality and ethics are

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you really going to be associated with

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these churches that up the centuries a

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blood on their hands and they're still

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doing these crimes I mean I don't think

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so ultimately our minds can deceive us

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programmed they're influenced but our

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heart Month and doesn't that

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soul I see people the last thing you

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want to do is isolate in the room

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isolated in a life thinking that a

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counselor is going to help you you know

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occupied the church he was there with us

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even though it was torture like he heard

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the chants sent of a church bell he'd

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start getting sick because the way he'd

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been tortured in these places yet there

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occupied it and I said William how could

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flyers from people he had no fear

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it wasn't afraid of these priests and he

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said I didn't want to let you guys down

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I didn't want to be left out now that

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that love that desire to be with us we

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did that we helped heal in that day not

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some counselor but all of us together

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showing we're not afraid of these people

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gonna stand here and help and love each

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other in practice right where it counts

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that's bloody Urkel you know if you knew

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his situation but we did that miracle

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together and that's to me I you

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reconnect with that common blood

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heartbeat and and you find that nature

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welcome to skeptic Oh where we explore

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country's real science and spirituality

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their critics at this point most of us

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stories about social injustice but one

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of the unfortunate consequences of the

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social justice warrior thing is the

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proportionality of it take for example

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today's guest in 1994 as a minister of

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United Church in British Columbia Kevin

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annette walked into what he probably

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now that job turned into a nightmare in

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a 25 year ordeal as he became a

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whistleblower of some of the most

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horrific holocaust level crimes in

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Canada's history and worse yet chances

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are you've never even heard about any of

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them you know on this show I'm always

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drawn to stories where one person can

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make a monumental difference and Kevin

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journalist and filmmaker he's also

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become a continuous voice for justice in

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a very important way and I think as we

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his story is critical to understanding

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our culture in general so it's a bit of

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a long introduction there but Kevin it

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is a great pleasure to have you on

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skeptic oh and thanks so much for

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joining me thank you Alex I appreciate

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the time to be able to do some so Kevin

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of course we're going to talk about your

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books I've just popped one of them up

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here murdered by decree and people can

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also check out murder by decree calm

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which stays up-to-date on a lot of

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things that are going on in your world

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but you know I think the easiest place

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to start is this history the history of

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what happened I have a short clip I'm

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going to play from the movie I want

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people know this movie unrepentant is

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available on YouTube let me play this

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clip unrepentant reveals Canada's

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the deliberate extermination of

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indigenous peoples and the theft of

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their land under the guise of religion

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this never before told tale is seen

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through the eyes of a former minister

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who blew the whistle on his own church

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thousands of children in its Indian

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Residential schools what happened to the

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thousands of children who died or

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disappeared while in Canada's Indian

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Residential schools why of Canada and

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the church is responsible for their fate

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refused to say what happened to them and

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stayed silent in the face of hundreds of

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eyewitnesses who claimed seeing murders

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and experiencing obscene tortures in

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these schools so Kevin that's again a

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very brief clip from the movie please

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start and tell us the story just as you

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have told at this point Kevin has a lot

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of other interesting [\h__\h] to say and

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we'll hear about it in just a minute so

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I think I'll touch on the main points

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that are relevant to the way you you set

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up the interview I was like a lot of

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Canadians even though I was from a young

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age we're involved in politics and and

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social justice issues and all that I was

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still completely ignorant of our own

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genocide in our backyard and that's not

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accidental the histories have been wiped

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clean it resides only the memory of the

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survivors and I began to meet some of

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them I was ordained in the United Church

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when in 1990 by 92 my young family and I

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were in Port Alberni which is red on the

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west coast of Canada in Vancouver Island

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and I'll never forget the first time

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anyone told me about this it was the

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first week I was on the job and I was

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hired to go out and kind of bring new

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people into the church because there's a

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dying congregation st. Andrews United

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Church and the I got a call from a

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native guy called Danny guess he wanted

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to get married and went out to talk to

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him I didn't know his home was right

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next to the former what they call

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residential schools

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these were internment camps and can I

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just interject at this time you don't

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you don't know any of that stuff you

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don't know

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that the schools are internment camps

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you don't know that which you later

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document very carefully in Proceedings

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that you submit to court that the death

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rate is what you said fifty percent

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don't come back and then through

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testimony you find that they are being

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murdered and they're being tortured and

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experimented upon and all the stuff you

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hear about like Holocaust Louisville

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kind of stuff right right right and so

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no I didn't even know about the

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existence of these places right Danny

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just said you know I asked him why there

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were no Indians in any of the churches

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kind of naively like you know a third of

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the populations native you don't see

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them working anywhere like why aren't

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why isn't there that contact he didn't

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say anything for a long time he was

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looking out the window at the former

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school and because the buildings are

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still standing there and finally he said

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they killed my best friend in that

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school and beat him to death and then

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they buried him in the hell of back

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that's why they don't want to send their

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churches and so I mean that blew my mind

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I just kind of had no I told somebody in

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the church stuff right away they said

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believe them they're just mad at us for

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taking their land they're just making

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all this stuff up because at that point

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this was a summer of 92 I first started

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working there

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there have been no court cases the court

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case just didn't start for four years

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later so the churches were free to say

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oh no it's all made up right they only

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started talking admitting stuff when

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they were getting sued they kept it

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covered up before them right so that led

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me down the trail and and those lawsuits

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you are instrumental to opening up the

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possibility to people even having those

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lawsuits and I go back to even your

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story I want to go back to that when

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this guy says this human being this

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fellow

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potential member of the congregation

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says I want you to marry me but the

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church was responsible for murdering one

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of the reasons we can ignore this guy is

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because he's Indian right because if

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it's a white person that says that

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there's we Lee we at least have to help

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pause but and in this case we can just

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kind of dismiss it

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is an Indian so you know they make stuff

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up it's that's been part of the problem

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here is that because it seems to be a

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courage of a foreign group most white

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people can't relate to it even though

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this was happening and still today

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happens to lots of white children too

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you know the same CICIG sastra telling

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all of this institutionalized murder I

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mean it's going on but the natives were

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like the canary in the mine shaft a lot

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of the stuff that's happening out all of

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us was tested out on them first and

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that's another thing I found out but

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yeah you're quite right the first

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lawsuit began in actually right after I

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got fired because the short story here

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is that I started bringing Native people

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in they began to share more stories in

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one of my latest books this at the mouth

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of a cannon I you can get this on Amazon

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I talked about how the issue that

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actually got me fired was not just

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letting native speak from the pulpit

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about these crimes in the residential

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schools which I did but I found out that

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the missionaries of my former church had

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grabbed all this native land originally

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I mean given to it by the British crown

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right other people's land then later

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they sold it off for a lot of money to

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like logging companies all sorts of big

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money involved right and I wrote a

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letter about that and that was out on I

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can immediately because you know you you

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you're stepping on the big toes bunny

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toes behind the church but after that

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within a half a year of me getting fired

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these lawsuits began and that's when the

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church really moved on me because I was

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sharing information with the lawyers

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hard evidence from that and be given to

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me that yeah this wasn't just rape and

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beatings this was killings medical

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experimentation mass murder that's now

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being admitted to some degree you know

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so one thing led to another right yeah

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there's so many things to touch on there

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I kind of hardly know where to begin

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I do want to emphasize the fact that as

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we talk about this there's gonna be a

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certain casualness to the conversation

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that is gonna throw people off I mean

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we're talking about again a holocaust

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level and I'd like to throw that term

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out there because that's really what

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we're talking about and if we when we

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put it

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context it upsets people but that's

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truly in every respect you know a

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particular group is targeted we have

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those group as less than human so we can

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do all sorts of things all sorts of

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sexual abuse and and and rape and

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torture of the worst kind we can do

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experimentation and ultimately we can be

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murder

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and then this thing gets so deep and

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when we talk about being acknowledged

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and I put that in quotes because that's

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a whole other story too and it speaks to

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how conspiracies happen and how part of

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the process is to kind of get in front

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of the story and meld the story and

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soften the story and change the story

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and you've seen that and experienced

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that as well and then the other thing I

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thought we might talk about so that

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people can wrap their heads around what

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really happened is that what you just

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touched on it's good for business it's

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not good for business to have any

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population that you need to support or

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provide services for the less people you

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can provide services for kind of the

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better it is for your business really

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and the but the other side of that that

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I think we want to touch on is that

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there's an evil to this that goes even

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beyond just the usual money-grubbing how

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can I kind of make more money for myself

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human greed kind of factor do you want

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to speak to any of those topics well

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yeah there's a lot there but what else

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there was it take it piece by piece here

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the problem he says with the internet is

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that people are so overwhelmed by a lot

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of allegations but they never really

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backed up with hard evidence the thing

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that's unique about my story is not only

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that I'm still alive but that I've

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systematically documented this from the

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very beginning and the perfect that I've

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never been sued by anybody is proof

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right there because if this was wrong

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and I was making it up been having in

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court like that to shut me down right

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they've never contested it even when we

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went and set up a common law court in

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Europe and put the Pope and Queen

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Elizabeth on trial even then they didn't

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dispute it because I knew it was all

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true what you have to do is

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it's like when I when I was in law

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school for a year before I dropped out

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one thing I've learned you know they

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told me in legal process class when

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you're in court if you evidence is on

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your side you argue the evidence but if

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your evidence goes against you attack

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and witnesses well you know let me

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interject something the first thing I

499
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always do when I have a guest on the

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show

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I usually do sometimes I've failed at my

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own expense when I haven't done this is

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I always go and look at the other side

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so I could go and look at Kevin and net

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liar because that comes up all the time

506
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you know and I went and looked at that

507
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data because it reveals so much it takes

508
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about five minutes of Kevin

509
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Anette liar stuff to just see how flimsy

510
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all those arguments are and as you just

511
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pointed out one thing that you do Kevin

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you not only document that you name

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names and we're gonna play a couple of

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Clips later you say this maybe and Monty

515
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Monty did this and you immediately go

516
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well if that's not true then there's

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gonna be a lawsuit and that you name

518
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another person you say if that's not

519
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true there's going to be a lawsuit I

520
00:20:43,909 --> 00:20:40,950
talked about this my whistleblower

521
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manual the I call them the three DS if

522
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your whistleblower you go after you with

523
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deny discredit and distract they have to

524
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deny everything they've got to distract

525
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the issue away from the evidence and

526
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they've got to discredit the person

527
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saying it but they can never use the

528
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evidence so they always focused on the

529
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on the person and try to just make

530
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people afraid of them and I say look

531
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it's not about me just go to murder by

532
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decree calm look at the hard evidence

533
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look at the 50% death rate over half a

534
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century that's an issue never no one in

535
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Canada addresses the media government

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churches anyone because they know

537
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there's proof right there why would the

538
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children in 1903 be dying the same death

539
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rate that they are in 1952

540
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half a century later unless it's

541
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deliberate because if you've got a high

542
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death rate from from communicable

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disease you you fix the situation the

544
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death rate comes down but no they're

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taking the healthy children putting in

546
00:21:36,649 --> 00:21:34,919
the meddling with the sick and letting

547
00:21:38,030 --> 00:21:36,659
them die off they did that fifty years

548
00:21:41,570 --> 00:21:38,040
apart that's

549
00:21:43,370 --> 00:21:41,580
an intent to wipe out children so no one

550
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:43,380
ever addresses that they just say old

551
00:21:48,860 --> 00:21:46,530
cabins making it up well how can I'm in

552
00:21:50,150 --> 00:21:48,870
here we show documents from the dr.

553
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:50,160
Peter Bryce you've documents it

554
00:21:54,410 --> 00:21:52,050
documents that half the children are

555
00:21:56,360 --> 00:21:54,420
dead after less than a year and and

556
00:21:58,550 --> 00:21:56,370
that's the same figure decades later so

557
00:21:59,960 --> 00:21:58,560
you know I mean not right there

558
00:22:02,120 --> 00:21:59,970
they can't refute it so they've got to

559
00:22:03,950 --> 00:22:02,130
just distract from it they got a people

560
00:22:06,170 --> 00:22:03,960
forgetting those things you'll never see

561
00:22:08,450 --> 00:22:06,180
that referenced anywhere in a Canadian

562
00:22:09,740 --> 00:22:08,460
curriculum and a movie on the

563
00:22:11,180 --> 00:22:09,750
residential schools the only people

564
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:11,190
talking about it there's that movement

565
00:22:17,450 --> 00:22:14,250
we started right true enough and if

566
00:22:20,150 --> 00:22:17,460
again I I just can't say enough that

567
00:22:22,430 --> 00:22:20,160
there's no way we can cover this story

568
00:22:24,110 --> 00:22:22,440
the evidence that Kevin and his group

569
00:22:26,750 --> 00:22:24,120
and other people who've joined his cause

570
00:22:29,150 --> 00:22:26,760
have amassed in this show but if you go

571
00:22:32,060 --> 00:22:29,160
to if you read his book and if you go to

572
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:32,070
murder by decree where he updates this

573
00:22:38,090 --> 00:22:35,250
stuff you will see documents that he's

574
00:22:41,810 --> 00:22:38,100
submitted to court that prove this the

575
00:22:43,820 --> 00:22:41,820
application for admission or something

576
00:22:46,250 --> 00:22:43,830
like that into these residential schools

577
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:46,260
that clearly states some these things

578
00:22:50,120 --> 00:22:48,570
but I want to come back and I want to

579
00:22:53,060 --> 00:22:50,130
talk about this whistle blower thing

580
00:22:55,340 --> 00:22:53,070
that you just brought up because I think

581
00:22:58,670 --> 00:22:55,350
whistleblowing is misunderstood it's

582
00:23:02,210 --> 00:22:58,680
gone from this very kind of positive

583
00:23:04,100 --> 00:23:02,220
social change in your story you talked

584
00:23:07,100 --> 00:23:04,110
about at the very beginning when you got

585
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:07,110
fired but that process actually took a

586
00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:10,290
while right well they um you don't see

587
00:23:13,790 --> 00:23:11,760
yourself as a whistleblower at first I

588
00:23:15,260 --> 00:23:13,800
mean I again naivety has a place because

589
00:23:16,970 --> 00:23:15,270
if we're really aware of what we're up

590
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:16,980
against we'd never do this stuff like

591
00:23:21,350 --> 00:23:19,050
simple self-protection concerned about

592
00:23:23,630 --> 00:23:21,360
our children would call back so it has a

593
00:23:26,090 --> 00:23:23,640
place our ignorance can be a great

594
00:23:29,330 --> 00:23:26,100
virtue in the long run it's like that

595
00:23:32,990 --> 00:23:29,340
lead-in yang there's there's the light

596
00:23:39,050 --> 00:23:33,000
in the shadow right but anyway they

597
00:23:41,120 --> 00:23:39,060
tried the you know the velvet glove and

598
00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:41,130
the hammer approach first day they said

599
00:23:45,310 --> 00:23:44,400
Kevin you can stay in the church but

600
00:23:49,790 --> 00:23:45,320
you've got to have psychiatric

601
00:23:51,379 --> 00:23:49,800
evaluation and be retrained okay

602
00:23:52,459 --> 00:23:51,389
so the implication is a

603
00:23:54,169 --> 00:23:52,469
went along with that I would be

604
00:23:55,399 --> 00:23:54,179
admitting that I'm kind of crazy to have

605
00:23:57,079 --> 00:23:55,409
even mentioned these things that way

606
00:23:59,629 --> 00:23:57,089
there are lots of folks s Kevin's

607
00:24:01,519 --> 00:23:59,639
imagination children never died it was

608
00:24:03,319 --> 00:24:01,529
just Kevin imagining these things so I

609
00:24:04,940 --> 00:24:03,329
said no to that I said no there's no

610
00:24:07,339 --> 00:24:04,950
basis for a psych exam and so at that

611
00:24:08,989 --> 00:24:07,349
point they brought the hammer down it

612
00:24:10,999 --> 00:24:08,999
went to my wife they said we're never

613
00:24:12,289 --> 00:24:11,009
going to let him work again and that

614
00:24:13,699 --> 00:24:12,299
first thing you do you go to the wife

615
00:24:15,619 --> 00:24:13,709
and the people around this guy and take

616
00:24:18,799 --> 00:24:15,629
them out and take away any possible

617
00:24:20,569 --> 00:24:18,809
support they got my wife to secretly

618
00:24:22,639 --> 00:24:20,579
plan a divorce against me they but she

619
00:24:24,859 --> 00:24:22,649
eventually got the children my two

620
00:24:27,049 --> 00:24:24,869
daughters it's interesting because they

621
00:24:28,399 --> 00:24:27,059
assured her that she would get children

622
00:24:30,049 --> 00:24:28,409
and Family Court which means they had

623
00:24:32,989 --> 00:24:30,059
the collusion of the family court system

624
00:24:34,489 --> 00:24:32,999
in British Columbia because at that

625
00:24:36,349 --> 00:24:34,499
point he realized well then we're up

626
00:24:38,209 --> 00:24:36,359
against the crown here the government

627
00:24:40,339 --> 00:24:38,219
like we're not it isn't just some United

628
00:24:41,779 --> 00:24:40,349
Church people scared about their dirty

629
00:24:43,219 --> 00:24:41,789
laundry coming out there was a hole I

630
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:43,229
went up against the Empire almost

631
00:24:46,549 --> 00:24:44,690
immediately that was proof without right

632
00:24:47,659 --> 00:24:46,559
because the government in the church

633
00:24:50,089 --> 00:24:47,669
they were all involved in these crimes

634
00:24:51,739 --> 00:24:50,099
and so I started getting late-night

635
00:24:53,479 --> 00:24:51,749
visits from the Royal Canadian Mounted

636
00:24:56,209 --> 00:24:53,489
Police you know asking just harassment

637
00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:56,219
you know I wasn't allowed to work

638
00:25:00,349 --> 00:24:58,320
anywhere I went into poverty I lost my

639
00:25:02,509 --> 00:25:00,359
kids I tried to retrain him at the

640
00:25:04,339 --> 00:25:02,519
University and they blocked my funding

641
00:25:06,919 --> 00:25:04,349
there I mean it went on and on like that

642
00:25:10,069 --> 00:25:06,929
right none because there's a lot to this

643
00:25:13,810 --> 00:25:10,079
story I want to know if we can drill

644
00:25:17,389 --> 00:25:13,820
into this a little bit you you're doing

645
00:25:20,329 --> 00:25:17,399
to put it in Christian terms you're

646
00:25:21,979 --> 00:25:20,339
doing God's work you're coming serving a

647
00:25:23,899 --> 00:25:21,989
population what is it I want to know

648
00:25:26,449 --> 00:25:23,909
what this is like for you because you

649
00:25:28,609 --> 00:25:26,459
had to feel like you were following your

650
00:25:31,849 --> 00:25:28,619
calling you were you were bringing these

651
00:25:34,099 --> 00:25:31,859
people up in Sudbury introducing him to

652
00:25:35,719 --> 00:25:34,109
the church what a wonderful thing people

653
00:25:37,699 --> 00:25:35,729
who've been alienated from the church

654
00:25:40,639 --> 00:25:37,709
and you bringing him but I can you have

655
00:25:42,799 --> 00:25:40,649
to I didn't make sense because there was

656
00:25:44,060 --> 00:25:42,809
far if they were smart they would have

657
00:25:45,349 --> 00:25:44,070
offered me another job they wouldn't

658
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:45,359
have come down on me because the more

659
00:25:48,919 --> 00:25:46,559
they came down on me tomorrow I got

660
00:25:52,190 --> 00:25:48,929
educated and the more I didn't stop

661
00:25:54,589 --> 00:25:52,200
because you take away you see this is

662
00:25:56,269 --> 00:25:54,599
the big mistake tyrants always make they

663
00:25:58,369 --> 00:25:56,279
think if we crush the people we're going

664
00:26:00,649 --> 00:25:58,379
to win the more you try to crush

665
00:26:02,239 --> 00:26:00,659
somebody most people will be taken out

666
00:26:04,850 --> 00:26:02,249
but there's a small minority who learn

667
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:04,860
and get tougher and it become veteran

668
00:26:09,020 --> 00:26:07,290
and say well no I've lost my children at

669
00:26:10,490 --> 00:26:09,030
what else can I lose well it doesn't

670
00:26:13,370 --> 00:26:10,500
matter do whatever you want to me I'm

671
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:13,380
not stopping now some sue talks about

672
00:26:16,940 --> 00:26:15,210
that in the art of war he says never

673
00:26:18,799 --> 00:26:16,950
force your enemy into an inescapable

674
00:26:20,060 --> 00:26:18,809
situation because then they get a real

675
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:20,070
resolved and argue they're gonna die

676
00:26:24,650 --> 00:26:22,410
they'll fight to the death at that point

677
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:24,660
which is what I mean I get that I get

678
00:26:29,060 --> 00:26:27,090
that and I'm totally blown away that you

679
00:26:31,549 --> 00:26:29,070
took that path because very few people

680
00:26:33,710 --> 00:26:31,559
take that path and most people find a

681
00:26:35,390 --> 00:26:33,720
way to jump out of the plane you know

682
00:26:37,460 --> 00:26:35,400
way sooner than that

683
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:37,470
I just do want to go back to that for

684
00:26:41,450 --> 00:26:39,210
one more minute because I want to know

685
00:26:43,250 --> 00:26:41,460
we want to talk about the spiritual part

686
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:43,260
of this and that the deeper spiritual

687
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:44,970
part and I want to know for you as a

688
00:26:49,940 --> 00:26:47,970
Christian as a minister as a reverend

689
00:26:52,010 --> 00:26:49,950
you know a leader of the church you're

690
00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:52,020
doing the right thing in it through all

691
00:26:55,010 --> 00:26:53,370
your training and through your deep

692
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:55,020
personal beliefs I have to believe at

693
00:26:57,799 --> 00:26:56,250
this point and you're bringing these

694
00:26:59,840 --> 00:26:57,809
people back to church or bring these

695
00:27:00,770 --> 00:26:59,850
people back to Christ for whatever that

696
00:27:02,539 --> 00:27:00,780
means let's just do it

697
00:27:05,570 --> 00:27:02,549
you're setting up a food bank to serve

698
00:27:08,299 --> 00:27:05,580
these people you're doing all the things

699
00:27:10,039 --> 00:27:08,309
you're supposed to do and yet and then

700
00:27:12,710 --> 00:27:10,049
when these people come up and they start

701
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:12,720
talking from the pulpit you your heart

702
00:27:16,370 --> 00:27:14,250
has to sink every time you hear these

703
00:27:21,230 --> 00:27:16,380
stories and you go and you're wrestling

704
00:27:24,650 --> 00:27:21,240
with how has my church been complicit in

705
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:24,660
this what is that transformation process

706
00:27:30,230 --> 00:27:26,880
like before they even come with the

707
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:30,240
velvet fist you know I mean but I wasn't

708
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:32,970
really I mean even then as a minister I

709
00:27:36,830 --> 00:27:35,250
knew the history of Christianity okay

710
00:27:39,380 --> 00:27:36,840
even if people like to ignore it I knew

711
00:27:40,970 --> 00:27:39,390
that that I mean just the Catholic

712
00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:40,980
Church alone is being responsible for

713
00:27:46,250 --> 00:27:42,240
more killing the history than any

714
00:27:47,870 --> 00:27:46,260
institution so I knew it was not even

715
00:27:49,370 --> 00:27:47,880
just a dichotomy it was a lie there's

716
00:27:50,870 --> 00:27:49,380
nothing more of a live an organized

717
00:27:52,490 --> 00:27:50,880
religion because it's saying one thing

718
00:27:55,070 --> 00:27:52,500
on Sunday and doing the exact opposite

719
00:27:58,150 --> 00:27:55,080
during the week and I learned quickly

720
00:28:01,880 --> 00:27:58,160
that the churches is about big money

721
00:28:04,430 --> 00:28:01,890
it's about I mean every church is that I

722
00:28:05,930 --> 00:28:04,440
have encountered if you scratch the

723
00:28:07,850 --> 00:28:05,940
beneath the surface you find they're all

724
00:28:09,830 --> 00:28:07,860
involved in money laundering usually for

725
00:28:11,780 --> 00:28:09,840
organized crime they have a tax-exempt

726
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:11,790
status they but they're all involved in

727
00:28:15,830 --> 00:28:13,410
child trafficking the child abuse it's

728
00:28:18,750 --> 00:28:15,840
rampant I get calls every week for

729
00:28:19,950 --> 00:28:18,760
people the Mormon Church the

730
00:28:23,850 --> 00:28:19,960
since all the mainstream churches

731
00:28:26,100 --> 00:28:23,860
jehovah's witnesses its religion

732
00:28:27,659 --> 00:28:26,110
provides a great cover for crime because

733
00:28:29,159 --> 00:28:27,669
people think oh that's the last place

734
00:28:31,530 --> 00:28:29,169
it's gonna go on there all moral people

735
00:28:33,150 --> 00:28:31,540
aren't that no it's the opposite so I

736
00:28:34,710 --> 00:28:33,160
had to learn all that on the ground and

737
00:28:36,120 --> 00:28:34,720
I'm glad I learned it I wouldn't go back

738
00:28:38,039 --> 00:28:36,130
to that Steve ignorance for anything

739
00:28:40,740 --> 00:28:38,049
right fair enough

740
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:40,750
tell you what I did want to play another

741
00:28:46,890 --> 00:28:44,410
clip for folks the time in this Mountie

742
00:28:50,850 --> 00:28:46,900
he threatened me Peter Montague he's

743
00:28:55,140 --> 00:28:50,860
head of a division secret ops they call

744
00:28:56,549 --> 00:28:55,150
it black ops whatever he actually these

745
00:28:57,870 --> 00:28:56,559
guys are funny you know because they

746
00:28:59,340 --> 00:28:57,880
think they're God and they can't be

747
00:29:01,380 --> 00:28:59,350
touched so they like to boast to you

748
00:29:02,820 --> 00:29:01,390
about what they're gonna do to you and

749
00:29:05,310 --> 00:29:02,830
what they can do and everything so if

750
00:29:06,810 --> 00:29:05,320
Monty you said to me that you're never

751
00:29:08,310 --> 00:29:06,820
you not only never gonna work in this

752
00:29:10,020 --> 00:29:08,320
country again but nobody's ever gonna

753
00:29:12,780 --> 00:29:10,030
know no one's gonna remember your name

754
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:12,790
after ten years they don't talk about

755
00:29:18,060 --> 00:29:15,490
murder rape torture they talk about

756
00:29:19,919 --> 00:29:18,070
abuse and being estranged from their

757
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:19,929
families and you know all the soft

758
00:29:26,130 --> 00:29:24,250
language after that date my name was

759
00:29:28,860 --> 00:29:26,140
swapped out of the media you'd never see

760
00:29:30,900 --> 00:29:28,870
it again I was like in apartheid South

761
00:29:32,190 --> 00:29:30,910
Africa they were when your band your

762
00:29:35,490 --> 00:29:32,200
name could never be mentioned in the

763
00:29:37,380 --> 00:29:35,500
media it's why the South Africans came

764
00:29:38,909 --> 00:29:37,390
to Canada to set up their apartheid laws

765
00:29:40,860 --> 00:29:38,919
they just studied what we did on the

766
00:29:43,950 --> 00:29:40,870
Indian reservations and with the Indian

767
00:29:46,710 --> 00:29:43,960
Act and modeled the apartheid laws on on

768
00:29:48,390 --> 00:29:46,720
Canada okay there's there's a lot there

769
00:29:51,870 --> 00:29:48,400
to unpack a lot of the people know that

770
00:29:53,700 --> 00:29:51,880
that is about an hour long interview you

771
00:29:55,730 --> 00:29:53,710
have available on YouTube again

772
00:29:58,980 --> 00:29:55,740
excellent if you want to check it out

773
00:30:02,390 --> 00:29:58,990
please do Kevin just talks very

774
00:30:05,460 --> 00:30:02,400
matter-of-factly but again with a ton of

775
00:30:08,610 --> 00:30:05,470
evidence to back up what he's saying but

776
00:30:10,710 --> 00:30:08,620
do you want to speak to the threats the

777
00:30:13,380 --> 00:30:10,720
bullet I understand there is a bullet

778
00:30:15,270 --> 00:30:13,390
left on your like kitchen table you were

779
00:30:19,409 --> 00:30:15,280
directly threatened that you'd be killed

780
00:30:20,820 --> 00:30:19,419
I mean talk about that well I'm into

781
00:30:23,340 --> 00:30:20,830
being a lot of things I mean and it

782
00:30:25,230 --> 00:30:23,350
varies it usually increases when I start

783
00:30:27,149 --> 00:30:25,240
getting more public exposure when we

784
00:30:29,159 --> 00:30:27,159
expanded to Europe and began to work

785
00:30:31,950 --> 00:30:29,169
there and help bring down Pope Benedict

786
00:30:32,340 --> 00:30:31,960
in 2013 then it really intensified right

787
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:32,350
and

788
00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:36,370
people disappearing who I was working

789
00:30:42,690 --> 00:30:41,049
with the whole gamut you know like they

790
00:30:44,580 --> 00:30:42,700
can't strike at somebody with a lot of

791
00:30:47,549 --> 00:30:44,590
light on them anybody who's got a lot of

792
00:30:50,909 --> 00:30:47,559
exposure they tend to just hit the

793
00:30:53,070 --> 00:30:50,919
people around them and so it kind of

794
00:30:54,690 --> 00:30:53,080
goes up and down a lot but the reality

795
00:30:56,279 --> 00:30:54,700
is if you're going to kill somebody you

796
00:30:58,260 --> 00:30:56,289
do it you don't send them a death threat

797
00:30:59,580 --> 00:30:58,270
if you're going to sue them you'll do it

798
00:31:01,890 --> 00:30:59,590
you won't say I'm going to sue you right

799
00:31:06,210 --> 00:31:01,900
I mean a lot of this is decided to scare

800
00:31:08,370 --> 00:31:06,220
and intimidate people and so I don't

801
00:31:10,649 --> 00:31:08,380
even think about it anymore I know that

802
00:31:13,159 --> 00:31:10,659
a lot of people who are even in the

803
00:31:15,750 --> 00:31:13,169
system I agree with me I've had cops

804
00:31:17,010 --> 00:31:15,760
people in the churches they all say yeah

805
00:31:18,419 --> 00:31:17,020
it's because this is coming out but I

806
00:31:19,740 --> 00:31:18,429
can't be associated with it right I'm

807
00:31:22,380 --> 00:31:19,750
worried about my pension or whatever

808
00:31:24,750 --> 00:31:22,390
right so it's what the impact we have is

809
00:31:26,460 --> 00:31:24,760
much greater than we realize that's why

810
00:31:28,740 --> 00:31:26,470
they constantly need us to back up they

811
00:31:30,630 --> 00:31:28,750
try to scare us into backing off all the

812
00:31:33,180 --> 00:31:30,640
time and if you don't the system is

813
00:31:35,010 --> 00:31:33,190
remarkably fragile and vulnerable and

814
00:31:38,669 --> 00:31:35,020
yets have to keep pushing and we found

815
00:31:40,620 --> 00:31:38,679
that we occupied these churches and once

816
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:40,630
we started going in on Sunday morning

817
00:31:45,299 --> 00:31:43,570
and occupying them and talking about the

818
00:31:46,770 --> 00:31:45,309
dead children within a couple of weeks

819
00:31:48,870 --> 00:31:46,780
the government started talking about the

820
00:31:50,909 --> 00:31:48,880
issue and apologies the church is

821
00:31:52,380 --> 00:31:50,919
collapsed you know we we kind of coup

822
00:31:54,690 --> 00:31:52,390
against them in every way just by going

823
00:31:56,100 --> 00:31:54,700
in threatening what they love that's

824
00:31:57,899 --> 00:31:56,110
what Sun Tzu says in the art of war it

825
00:32:01,049 --> 00:31:57,909
doesn't matter how small you are if you

826
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:01,059
threaten what a larger enemy loves and

827
00:32:05,580 --> 00:32:03,610
holds dear their strength is nullified

828
00:32:07,049 --> 00:32:05,590
and they have to respond to what you're

829
00:32:08,970 --> 00:32:07,059
doing and that's exactly that was born

830
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:08,980
out and everything there was maybe two

831
00:32:13,220 --> 00:32:10,450
dozen of us across the country and we

832
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:13,230
forced out this truth right so it's a

833
00:32:18,299 --> 00:32:16,210
it's a real lesson for us and the powers

834
00:32:20,460 --> 00:32:18,309
that be or the powers that pretend to be

835
00:32:22,110 --> 00:32:20,470
don't want us to learn that lesson

836
00:32:25,169 --> 00:32:22,120
because there's a great strengths in

837
00:32:27,990 --> 00:32:25,179
people sleeping giant if we awaken to

838
00:32:30,750 --> 00:32:28,000
our real power this [\h__\h] was gone I mean

839
00:32:33,500 --> 00:32:30,760
we're we can just change the world

840
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:33,510
tomorrow if we woke up to that right

841
00:32:39,149 --> 00:32:36,730
maybe let's dug some more about that

842
00:32:41,159 --> 00:32:39,159
I'll tell you where I want to go next

843
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:41,169
and then I'll let you maybe pick after

844
00:32:46,220 --> 00:32:44,770
that but the topic of conspiracy is

845
00:32:49,310 --> 00:32:46,230
always interesting to me

846
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:49,320
comes up a lot on this show I'm amazed

847
00:32:58,100 --> 00:32:53,610
that so many people really don't believe

848
00:32:59,570 --> 00:32:58,110
that conspiracies of this scale can even

849
00:33:01,430 --> 00:32:59,580
happen they just say they're one of

850
00:33:04,039 --> 00:33:01,440
their first things is I don't believe it

851
00:33:06,260 --> 00:33:04,049
because I don't think it could exist so

852
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:06,270
I think one of the things that you stand

853
00:33:13,490 --> 00:33:10,890
witness to is but yeah you can have

854
00:33:15,799 --> 00:33:13,500
these huge large-scale conspiracies

855
00:33:19,340 --> 00:33:15,809
involving the highest levels of

856
00:33:22,159 --> 00:33:19,350
government involving the inner workings

857
00:33:24,770 --> 00:33:22,169
of these religious institutions that

858
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:24,780
will have almost the ultimate power

859
00:33:31,250 --> 00:33:28,530
inside our culture and they do exist so

860
00:33:32,750 --> 00:33:31,260
do you want to speak to conspiracy well

861
00:33:34,310 --> 00:33:32,760
you know it's a funny word because it's

862
00:33:36,530 --> 00:33:34,320
become a pejorative in the term but

863
00:33:39,190 --> 00:33:36,540
under the law a conspiracy is three more

864
00:33:42,500 --> 00:33:39,200
people gathering and intending to

865
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:42,510
carlton kratom it's a term criminal

866
00:33:48,140 --> 00:33:44,850
conspiracy you know and and so it's not

867
00:33:50,750 --> 00:33:48,150
some imagined thing right the way it

868
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:50,760
operates in practice the the people with

869
00:33:54,799 --> 00:33:52,290
money in power don't have to conspire

870
00:33:56,210 --> 00:33:54,809
they just make arrangements right we

871
00:33:57,799 --> 00:33:56,220
don't know about those arrangements and

872
00:34:01,190 --> 00:33:57,809
we learn about them and our whole world

873
00:34:03,230 --> 00:34:01,200
is blown away because all we live where

874
00:34:05,030 --> 00:34:03,240
everything is so normalized the crime is

875
00:34:07,039 --> 00:34:05,040
so normal to us that it doesn't seem

876
00:34:09,830 --> 00:34:07,049
like a crime what do you mean what does

877
00:34:12,349 --> 00:34:09,840
that mean to you in this case because

878
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:12,359
not most people most people don't think

879
00:34:16,700 --> 00:34:14,010
what you're exposing they wouldn't find

880
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:16,710
anything normal about that taking these

881
00:34:23,359 --> 00:34:20,399
kids put it forcing them to into these

882
00:34:25,310 --> 00:34:23,369
schools which are death camps they know

883
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:25,320
that they're gonna that a significant

884
00:34:30,290 --> 00:34:26,490
portion of those kids are going to die

885
00:34:31,790 --> 00:34:30,300
and then knowing that significant

886
00:34:35,570 --> 00:34:31,800
marshals kids are going to be abused

887
00:34:39,020 --> 00:34:35,580
physically sexually raped you know then

888
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:39,030
that's not normal well give you an

889
00:34:44,869 --> 00:34:42,810
example um one of the first forums we

890
00:34:46,970 --> 00:34:44,879
held in Vancouver a white woman came and

891
00:34:48,830 --> 00:34:46,980
she was almost evenly Wed person there

892
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:48,840
was almost all native survivors of these

893
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:51,119
death camps and her name is Marian

894
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:53,010
McFarland and she's described how she

895
00:34:57,590 --> 00:34:55,050
worked in the Alberta residential school

896
00:35:00,110 --> 00:34:57,600
and she got fired because one day she

897
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:00,120
found a matron taking a piano leg

898
00:35:04,490 --> 00:35:01,770
and beating a little indian girl to

899
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:04,500
death with it and so Marian knocks out

900
00:35:08,540 --> 00:35:06,810
the woman doing that she defense a

901
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:08,550
little a Negro John Andrews the

902
00:35:13,220 --> 00:35:11,010
principal fires her for doing that and

903
00:35:15,530 --> 00:35:13,230
he says anything that happened to that

904
00:35:17,660 --> 00:35:15,540
little [\h__\h] would have been better than

905
00:35:19,730 --> 00:35:17,670
losing that woman because she plays the

906
00:35:23,420 --> 00:35:19,740
organ and church on Sunday we can't lose

907
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:23,430
that so there's a hierarchy of in

908
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:26,370
anybody's mind okay well so a little

909
00:35:30,380 --> 00:35:28,410
Indian kid does I mean they seem kind of

910
00:35:33,470 --> 00:35:30,390
odd anyway they're like different you

911
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:33,480
know so the death is abstract but we

912
00:35:37,580 --> 00:35:35,970
can't not have an organist on Sunday

913
00:35:39,710 --> 00:35:37,590
because that's something we know we need

914
00:35:42,890 --> 00:35:39,720
we want Pleasant music on Sunday right

915
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:42,900
so we act we all have a lo small little

916
00:35:47,750 --> 00:35:45,690
circle experience and when you say death

917
00:35:50,270 --> 00:35:47,760
and torture it's outside that by large

918
00:35:51,710 --> 00:35:50,280
unless you're a victim yourself and then

919
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:51,720
you just don't want to talk about it you

920
00:35:57,020 --> 00:35:54,450
want to pretend your life is behind but

921
00:35:58,670 --> 00:35:57,030
if that is outside your circle of

922
00:36:00,590 --> 00:35:58,680
experience it's all abstract it's it's

923
00:36:01,820 --> 00:36:00,600
not there's no reference point right and

924
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:01,830
that's why you're going to bring in and

925
00:36:04,700 --> 00:36:03,210
we stopped talking to Aboriginal

926
00:36:05,240 --> 00:36:04,710
children and we started just saying

927
00:36:07,370 --> 00:36:05,250
children

928
00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:07,380
that's something people can relate to ok

929
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:11,520
dead children that you can relate to it

930
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:12,930
because there's nothing more horrible

931
00:36:17,690 --> 00:36:14,370
than the idea of losing your own child

932
00:36:21,430 --> 00:36:17,700
right and having gone through that

933
00:36:24,260 --> 00:36:21,440
myself lost contact with my own children

934
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:24,270
when I spoke in a healing circle I spoke

935
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:26,850
from my heart my own pain and I what

936
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:28,170
people trusted me because that's

937
00:36:31,730 --> 00:36:29,610
something they could relate to but most

938
00:36:33,260 --> 00:36:31,740
of the stuff genocide is just a word it

939
00:36:35,390 --> 00:36:33,270
doesn't mean anything to anyone until

940
00:36:37,130 --> 00:36:35,400
you give a specific example this child

941
00:36:39,590 --> 00:36:37,140
was tortured to death on this state and

942
00:36:42,020 --> 00:36:39,600
buried in this hole by this person right

943
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:42,030
and that's what we've been saying from

944
00:36:44,930 --> 00:36:43,410
the very beginning all the work here the

945
00:36:46,070 --> 00:36:44,940
details of how it happened here's why it

946
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:46,080
happened they came out of a system

947
00:36:50,270 --> 00:36:47,210
that's been doing that for centuries

948
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:50,280
right and it's normal in our culture to

949
00:36:53,690 --> 00:36:52,410
do that genocide is a normal tool of

950
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:53,700
church and state and has been for

951
00:36:58,940 --> 00:36:57,570
centuries read industry the other thing

952
00:37:02,870 --> 00:36:58,950
I thought we might touch on because I

953
00:37:05,870 --> 00:37:02,880
think you again provide witness to this

954
00:37:08,540 --> 00:37:05,880
is some of the tricks of the trade in

955
00:37:11,300 --> 00:37:08,550
terms of how these conspiracies are not

956
00:37:13,250 --> 00:37:11,310
just perpetuated but then covered up and

957
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:13,260
that's work that you continue to do to

958
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:14,010
this day

959
00:37:20,810 --> 00:37:16,530
I love the you know from The Simpsons

960
00:37:22,090 --> 00:37:20,820
you know when chief Wiggum says we're

961
00:37:25,099 --> 00:37:22,100
gonna we're gonna appoint a blue-ribbon

962
00:37:26,780 --> 00:37:25,109
committee to look into this and Homer

963
00:37:27,710 --> 00:37:26,790
says well blue-ribbon you can't get

964
00:37:30,170 --> 00:37:27,720
better than that

965
00:37:32,390 --> 00:37:30,180
and that's like a little trick of the

966
00:37:34,460 --> 00:37:32,400
trade it's so obvious at this point it's

967
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:34,470
been done over and over again the Warren

968
00:37:40,190 --> 00:37:36,930
Commission the 9/11 Commission here in

969
00:37:43,340 --> 00:37:40,200
the States but how did it operate for

970
00:37:48,250 --> 00:37:43,350
you and in this work that you're doing

971
00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:48,260
in Canada this blue-ribbon Commission

972
00:37:52,910 --> 00:37:50,730
well let you know that's the purpose of

973
00:37:54,770 --> 00:37:52,920
any so-called commission of inquiry to

974
00:37:56,300 --> 00:37:54,780
control the narrative they call it in

975
00:37:58,070 --> 00:37:56,310
public relations you have to move in

976
00:38:01,640 --> 00:37:58,080
quickly control the narrative tell the

977
00:38:03,859 --> 00:38:01,650
story from your point of view and they

978
00:38:05,750 --> 00:38:03,869
when I begin to publish this something

979
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:05,760
they firstly denied it and then when the

980
00:38:09,890 --> 00:38:07,650
lawsuits began they said ok it happened

981
00:38:11,359 --> 00:38:09,900
but it wasn't intentional we were just

982
00:38:13,370 --> 00:38:11,369
trying to help these poor little kids

983
00:38:14,810 --> 00:38:13,380
and there were excesses and you know a

984
00:38:16,730 --> 00:38:14,820
few children were harmed and now we're

985
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:16,740
going to apologize and give money but if

986
00:38:21,070 --> 00:38:18,330
you get the money there's a gang murder

987
00:38:23,270 --> 00:38:21,080
attached to it so if your native person

988
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:23,280
you can't ever talk about it again was

989
00:38:27,859 --> 00:38:25,890
just another way to gay people so it was

990
00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:27,869
for various stages and now it's gotten

991
00:38:31,310 --> 00:38:29,520
to the point where on June 4th the prime

992
00:38:33,020 --> 00:38:31,320
minister justin trudeau even admitted

993
00:38:35,900 --> 00:38:33,030
genocide happened he said that yes it

994
00:38:37,700 --> 00:38:35,910
was genocide well now they're same

995
00:38:38,990 --> 00:38:37,710
thousands of children died so they're 20

996
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:39,000
years later they're saying everything I

997
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:41,010
did but they're still saying Kevin and

998
00:38:44,060 --> 00:38:42,210
that's making it all up even though

999
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:44,070
there's they're repeating it so it's

1000
00:38:48,980 --> 00:38:45,570
crazy you know when you look at the way

1001
00:38:50,210 --> 00:38:48,990
it plays out in practice but um don't

1002
00:38:51,710 --> 00:38:50,220
forget they're able to say that now

1003
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:51,720
because they've legally indemnified

1004
00:38:55,220 --> 00:38:53,760
everybody and that's what they do while

1005
00:38:57,859 --> 00:38:55,230
they're talking all the correct

1006
00:39:00,230 --> 00:38:57,869
politically correct talk they're making

1007
00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:00,240
sure that nobody can get sued the

1008
00:39:03,770 --> 00:39:02,250
churches won't lose their insurance

1009
00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:03,780
coverage which is what their main

1010
00:39:08,780 --> 00:39:06,960
concern was that that you know they have

1011
00:39:10,099 --> 00:39:08,790
all their property seized in a court

1012
00:39:15,670 --> 00:39:10,109
case or whatever that was their only

1013
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:15,680
real concern losing money and and so the

1014
00:39:19,580 --> 00:39:18,240
perpetrators indemnify themselves and

1015
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:19,590
then they use all the right language and

1016
00:39:23,780 --> 00:39:21,210
they silence everybody in the same time

1017
00:39:27,290 --> 00:39:23,790
at the same time so at the end of the

1018
00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:27,300
day they George Orwell in 1984

1019
00:39:32,030 --> 00:39:30,240
called the erase the erasure even the

1020
00:39:33,290 --> 00:39:32,040
process of cover-up is erased and

1021
00:39:35,690 --> 00:39:33,300
they've rewritten history and now

1022
00:39:38,060 --> 00:39:35,700
everyone in Canada thinks oh yeah well

1023
00:39:39,500 --> 00:39:38,070
the government did the right thing in

1024
00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:39,510
the admitted to stuff and now everyone's

1025
00:39:43,100 --> 00:39:41,280
happy right they don't know anything

1026
00:39:45,650 --> 00:39:43,110
about the real history or the campaign

1027
00:39:47,870 --> 00:39:45,660
we we wage to force this up right it's

1028
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:47,880
being effectively erased so here's an

1029
00:39:53,750 --> 00:39:49,530
example of it yeah that's that image you

1030
00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:53,760
got let's play this clip from a video

1031
00:39:59,240 --> 00:39:56,640
that you just recently released on

1032
00:40:00,890 --> 00:39:59,250
YouTube and again I don't know if we can

1033
00:40:08,780 --> 00:40:00,900
get people there but there's a depth to

1034
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:08,790
this that is just will talk about hello

1035
00:40:12,170 --> 00:40:10,800
this is Kevin Anat we're at the

1036
00:40:15,500 --> 00:40:12,180
University of British Columbia campus

1037
00:40:17,330 --> 00:40:15,510
and I'm going to demonstrate it a case

1038
00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:17,340
in point of the Canadian cover-up the

1039
00:40:25,430 --> 00:40:20,240
genocide here we have off to our left

1040
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:25,440
the Kerner library where since 1996 I

1041
00:40:31,730 --> 00:40:28,650
uncovered the hard evidence of genocide

1042
00:40:33,380 --> 00:40:31,740
in Canada the documentation right down

1043
00:40:35,030 --> 00:40:33,390
in this basement area the microfilm

1044
00:40:38,330 --> 00:40:35,040
archives at the department Midna fair

1045
00:40:39,980 --> 00:40:38,340
showing evidence of mass deaths and

1046
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:39,990
residential schools sterilization

1047
00:40:44,980 --> 00:40:41,850
programs crimes against humanity

1048
00:40:48,590 --> 00:40:44,990
discovered right there year after year

1049
00:40:51,910 --> 00:40:48,600
now look what the perpetrators of that

1050
00:40:54,410 --> 00:40:51,920
crime have just created right next door

1051
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:54,420
the Indian Residential school history

1052
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:55,650
and dialogue center now what's

1053
00:40:59,300 --> 00:40:57,690
interesting is I went in there and I

1054
00:41:00,890 --> 00:40:59,310
asked around to see what evidence they

1055
00:41:03,710 --> 00:41:00,900
had about residential schools and guess

1056
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:03,720
what in this government unchurched

1057
00:41:09,170 --> 00:41:07,650
funded cover-up building they have

1058
00:41:12,860 --> 00:41:09,180
nothing of the evidence that's right

1059
00:41:15,380 --> 00:41:12,870
next door here in corner library none of

1060
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:15,390
the records at murder by decree calm not

1061
00:41:21,980 --> 00:41:18,650
a single one that's just 50 feet away

1062
00:41:24,230 --> 00:41:21,990
found its way into the Indian

1063
00:41:27,530 --> 00:41:24,240
Residential school history and dialogue

1064
00:41:29,180 --> 00:41:27,540
center G now that's not because the

1065
00:41:32,540 --> 00:41:29,190
serial killer appointed the jury by any

1066
00:41:35,630 --> 00:41:32,550
chance did they I remember asking a

1067
00:41:36,980 --> 00:41:35,640
reporter if you're a serial killer would

1068
00:41:38,420 --> 00:41:36,990
you get too important your own judge

1069
00:41:40,940 --> 00:41:38,430
injury because that's what's happened

1070
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:40,950
with the TRC the the church has got to

1071
00:41:44,510 --> 00:41:41,330
Nam

1072
00:41:47,210 --> 00:41:44,520
who the could TRC commissioners were the

1073
00:41:48,530 --> 00:41:47,220
Privy Council office approved it these

1074
00:41:52,150 --> 00:41:48,540
are the very people that did the crime

1075
00:41:54,500 --> 00:41:52,160
doing the investigation unto themselves

1076
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:54,510
powerful stuff there do you want to

1077
00:41:58,849 --> 00:41:57,090
elaborate well I mean that's the norm in

1078
00:42:00,710 --> 00:41:58,859
Canada and what you know the doublethink

1079
00:42:02,300 --> 00:42:00,720
going on is that people can look at that

1080
00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:02,310
and go oh well that's good and I should

1081
00:42:06,950 --> 00:42:05,520
know it's an obvious cover-up they're

1082
00:42:08,380 --> 00:42:06,960
putting out their own version and

1083
00:42:10,339 --> 00:42:08,390
ignoring the hard evidence and

1084
00:42:12,050 --> 00:42:10,349
destroying the evidence this man diffic

1085
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:12,060
an example of that is the Supreme Court

1086
00:42:17,390 --> 00:42:15,570
in Canada two years ago ruled that any

1087
00:42:20,839 --> 00:42:17,400
evidence coming out of a residential

1088
00:42:22,250 --> 00:42:20,849
school could be destroyed like a court

1089
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:22,260
saying you can destroy evidence from a

1090
00:42:26,330 --> 00:42:24,690
crime scene right it's like it's

1091
00:42:27,770 --> 00:42:26,340
mind-boggling what these people get away

1092
00:42:30,859 --> 00:42:27,780
with and yet thinking they're doing the

1093
00:42:33,410 --> 00:42:30,869
right thing well I was listening to your

1094
00:42:35,570 --> 00:42:33,420
radio show podcast recently and you are

1095
00:42:39,050 --> 00:42:35,580
documenting another case of that and

1096
00:42:42,260 --> 00:42:39,060
again for people like me who are truly

1097
00:42:43,940 --> 00:42:42,270
are trying to understand this stuff at a

1098
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:43,950
deeper level and it's broader

1099
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:48,480
implications for conspiracy and truth

1100
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:51,930
finding but you talked about how they're

1101
00:42:58,099 --> 00:42:55,290
now kind of even co-opting the digging

1102
00:43:01,240 --> 00:42:58,109
up of these mass grave sites which are

1103
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:01,250
really crime scenes but there's somehow

1104
00:43:07,310 --> 00:43:04,800
recasting this as just a way of oh yeah

1105
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:07,320
you know some bad things did happen

1106
00:43:11,450 --> 00:43:09,570
there and some kids got hurt and that's

1107
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:11,460
really sorry that they died on those

1108
00:43:17,450 --> 00:43:13,650
farm implements and we'll just move all

1109
00:43:19,370 --> 00:43:17,460
the evidence over here well you know the

1110
00:43:21,410 --> 00:43:19,380
best example of that is when we did the

1111
00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:21,420
dig the only big that's ever happened at

1112
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:23,609
a mass grave site at a residential

1113
00:43:29,329 --> 00:43:26,160
school we I was invited by the Grand

1114
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:29,339
River Mohawks in Ontario to come and dig

1115
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:31,050
at the site of the oldest residential

1116
00:43:35,630 --> 00:43:32,970
schools core the Mohawk school Anglican

1117
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:35,640
Church Church of England ran it let's

1118
00:43:38,900 --> 00:43:37,200
just be clear that they wanted you to

1119
00:43:41,780 --> 00:43:38,910
dig because they felt that they knew

1120
00:43:43,780 --> 00:43:41,790
they knew that their ancestors were but

1121
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:43,790
that their children were buried there

1122
00:43:50,210 --> 00:43:47,010
well they thought I mean I met Toronto

1123
00:43:51,710 --> 00:43:50,220
Henry Leona Moses other people who had

1124
00:43:52,849 --> 00:43:51,720
dug the graves and put their fellow

1125
00:43:55,130 --> 00:43:52,859
students in the ground

1126
00:43:56,839 --> 00:43:55,140
we went over we've got experts we've got

1127
00:43:59,170 --> 00:43:56,849
ground-penetrating radar we had two

1128
00:44:01,640 --> 00:43:59,180
forensic specialists coming in

1129
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:01,650
archaeologists did did the dig within an

1130
00:44:05,989 --> 00:44:04,650
hour we found bones and buttons wrapped

1131
00:44:07,910 --> 00:44:05,999
in the roots of the tree because they

1132
00:44:09,109 --> 00:44:07,920
used to plant trees on top of the graves

1133
00:44:11,870 --> 00:44:09,119
the high the remains

1134
00:44:13,609 --> 00:44:11,880
these were buttons from before World War

1135
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:13,619
two like they weren't plastic they were

1136
00:44:17,390 --> 00:44:15,450
earlier versions of buttons

1137
00:44:19,339 --> 00:44:17,400
we had the bones analyzed at the

1138
00:44:23,499 --> 00:44:19,349
Smithsonian Institute sure enough it was

1139
00:44:26,059 --> 00:44:23,509
a nice akut of a young girl maybe five

1140
00:44:28,999 --> 00:44:26,069
Namibian Canada were reported the first

1141
00:44:31,099 --> 00:44:29,009
evidence of uncovering the remains of

1142
00:44:33,109 --> 00:44:31,109
children at a residential school was

1143
00:44:35,089 --> 00:44:33,119
totally censored over the media one

1144
00:44:37,940 --> 00:44:35,099
newspaper reported the Mohawk community

1145
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:37,950
newspaper in Brantford Ontario that's it

1146
00:44:41,989 --> 00:44:39,930
after that they then moved in they all

1147
00:44:45,229 --> 00:44:41,999
got the government-funded Chiefs to

1148
00:44:47,930 --> 00:44:45,239
destroy the site to silence everybody to

1149
00:44:49,699 --> 00:44:47,940
pay off or scare off the elders who had

1150
00:44:52,910 --> 00:44:49,709
invited me the whole thing that was in

1151
00:44:54,499 --> 00:44:52,920
early 2012 but all of that evidence we

1152
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:54,509
used in the common law court case in

1153
00:44:58,309 --> 00:44:56,729
Europe to help indict these people and

1154
00:44:59,689 --> 00:44:58,319
force Ratzinger to resign and all this

1155
00:45:01,849 --> 00:44:59,699
other stuff in public relations they

1156
00:45:04,519 --> 00:45:01,859
call it the inoculation strategy you

1157
00:45:06,859 --> 00:45:04,529
inoculate people with an idea and then

1158
00:45:08,870 --> 00:45:06,869
dump they get so used to hearing it that

1159
00:45:10,759 --> 00:45:08,880
they're they're they're inoculated

1160
00:45:12,199 --> 00:45:10,769
against coming to a conclusion and being

1161
00:45:14,630 --> 00:45:12,209
shocked and saying wait a minute what's

1162
00:45:16,549 --> 00:45:14,640
going on it's a gradual process of

1163
00:45:17,870 --> 00:45:16,559
normalizing a horrible thing and that's

1164
00:45:20,989 --> 00:45:17,880
how they did one of the way to do that

1165
00:45:22,999 --> 00:45:20,999
right exactly that's very well said

1166
00:45:24,650 --> 00:45:23,009
precisely what we're saying here and

1167
00:45:26,539 --> 00:45:24,660
we'll see over and over again when we

1168
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:26,549
talk about conspiracy because it's it is

1169
00:45:31,370 --> 00:45:28,890
one of the tried-and-true tricks of the

1170
00:45:34,189 --> 00:45:31,380
trade you're desensitizing people from

1171
00:45:36,289 --> 00:45:34,199
it where should we go next there's a lot

1172
00:45:38,029 --> 00:45:36,299
of topics that we could potentially talk

1173
00:45:42,499 --> 00:45:38,039
about is there anything up there that

1174
00:45:45,410 --> 00:45:42,509
you'd like to speak to next Kevin well

1175
00:45:48,109 --> 00:45:45,420
it's all relevant I mean now I I think

1176
00:45:49,819 --> 00:45:48,119
it's good to I'm actually doing a duck

1177
00:45:54,439 --> 00:45:49,829
sequel to our documentary film

1178
00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:54,449
unrepentant which I didn't mention we we

1179
00:45:58,670 --> 00:45:56,880
released this film in 2007 and it really

1180
00:46:00,650 --> 00:45:58,680
is what forced the apology in Canada

1181
00:46:02,209 --> 00:46:00,660
because members of parliament had seen

1182
00:46:04,579 --> 00:46:02,219
this film they got up in Parliament and

1183
00:46:06,380 --> 00:46:04,589
asked about the missing children so it

1184
00:46:08,809 --> 00:46:06,390
forced open the whole issue and

1185
00:46:11,930 --> 00:46:08,819
you mentioned that's online but we want

1186
00:46:14,299 --> 00:46:11,940
to do a sequel to it to talk about not

1187
00:46:15,859 --> 00:46:14,309
just in the last 1012 years how this

1188
00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:15,869
whole thing is being covered up and and

1189
00:46:20,990 --> 00:46:18,960
you know shut down how this crime is

1190
00:46:23,210 --> 00:46:21,000
continuing today because it's getting a

1191
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:23,220
lot worse in areas in British Columbia

1192
00:46:28,819 --> 00:46:25,680
the the rate of native families going

1193
00:46:30,349 --> 00:46:28,829
missing the Chinese we found that the

1194
00:46:31,490 --> 00:46:30,359
the Chinese that are buying up a lot of

1195
00:46:33,410 --> 00:46:31,500
the resources have their own private

1196
00:46:35,870 --> 00:46:33,420
death squads that are forcing native

1197
00:46:37,789 --> 00:46:35,880
families off the land at gunpoint the

1198
00:46:39,500 --> 00:46:37,799
RCMP and the Canadian government and the

1199
00:46:43,250 --> 00:46:39,510
present prime minister is implicated in

1200
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:43,260
that and that should be an act an issue

1201
00:46:46,279 --> 00:46:44,970
in that president election campaign in

1202
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:46,289
Canada but nobody's mentioned it of

1203
00:46:50,599 --> 00:46:48,000
course even though the evidence is being

1204
00:46:52,609 --> 00:46:50,609
published all over all of that stuff we

1205
00:46:54,380 --> 00:46:52,619
want to document and they this new

1206
00:46:56,660 --> 00:46:54,390
doctrine is you know but part of it is

1207
00:46:58,220 --> 00:46:56,670
the interview meeting about well how was

1208
00:47:01,309 --> 00:46:58,230
this changed you because the most

1209
00:47:05,900 --> 00:47:01,319
interesting part of a story is of a

1210
00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:05,910
history is somebody's story right how

1211
00:47:09,140 --> 00:47:07,680
has it changed you what conclusions have

1212
00:47:10,309 --> 00:47:09,150
you come and I'm going to be talking

1213
00:47:13,670 --> 00:47:10,319
about that and I think yeah the

1214
00:47:15,499 --> 00:47:13,680
spiritual path which in a way is hard to

1215
00:47:18,559 --> 00:47:15,509
talk about because it's so personal

1216
00:47:21,620 --> 00:47:18,569
right and yet it's something that I

1217
00:47:22,970 --> 00:47:21,630
think touches on some really important

1218
00:47:25,700 --> 00:47:22,980
things because it has to do with how we

1219
00:47:28,670 --> 00:47:25,710
really there's a chance to overcome this

1220
00:47:30,380 --> 00:47:28,680
these crimes and how they carry on it's

1221
00:47:33,079 --> 00:47:30,390
got to start with that personal

1222
00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:33,089
Awakening right well I do want to talk

1223
00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:36,240
about that and it is personal but I

1224
00:47:40,700 --> 00:47:38,250
think it's important because you're

1225
00:47:43,940 --> 00:47:40,710
someone who has endured a tremendous

1226
00:47:47,299 --> 00:47:43,950
amount of personal pain personal

1227
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:47,309
sacrifice I can only imagine the dark

1228
00:47:51,589 --> 00:47:49,410
nights of the soul that you've gone

1229
00:47:53,539 --> 00:47:51,599
through and I want to take it outside of

1230
00:47:55,130 --> 00:47:53,549
a Christian context unless you want to

1231
00:47:57,259 --> 00:47:55,140
add it back into that because we're

1232
00:48:00,109 --> 00:47:57,269
really talking about a deep spirituality

1233
00:48:02,990 --> 00:48:00,119
here where we all are forced to confront

1234
00:48:05,809 --> 00:48:03,000
those deep questions of who we are how

1235
00:48:08,420 --> 00:48:05,819
what is our relationship to whatever

1236
00:48:11,390 --> 00:48:08,430
other forces there are in the universe

1237
00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:11,400
what was that like for you when your

1238
00:48:17,420 --> 00:48:14,250
whole world was falling apart and then

1239
00:48:21,060 --> 00:48:17,430
how did you find the strength to kind of

1240
00:48:23,530 --> 00:48:21,070
go forward in such a profound way

1241
00:48:24,910 --> 00:48:23,540
yeah I'll leave Christianity out of this

1242
00:48:26,589 --> 00:48:24,920
because it's kind of like George Bernard

1243
00:48:28,329 --> 00:48:26,599
Shaw said Christianity sounds like a

1244
00:48:32,530 --> 00:48:28,339
wonderful idea somebody should try it

1245
00:48:38,020 --> 00:48:32,540
sometime yeah so I'll move on to more

1246
00:48:39,550 --> 00:48:38,030
basic things um the uh well in a

1247
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:39,560
nutshell the way I put it in some of my

1248
00:48:45,730 --> 00:48:41,450
recent books is the truth of this is

1249
00:48:47,890 --> 00:48:45,740
that I did die I it was not simply

1250
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:47,900
trauma my whole life was uprooted and

1251
00:48:54,010 --> 00:48:51,290
part of me died and I think losing your

1252
00:48:55,690 --> 00:48:54,020
children going through constant poverty

1253
00:48:59,560 --> 00:48:55,700
and attacks and just seeing everyone

1254
00:49:02,370 --> 00:48:59,570
around you step back step back from you

1255
00:49:04,839 --> 00:49:02,380
step back from supporting you right and

1256
00:49:06,609 --> 00:49:04,849
how easy it is to make people do that

1257
00:49:07,990 --> 00:49:06,619
even the ones who love you and the ones

1258
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:08,000
who say they're going to stand by you as

1259
00:49:11,710 --> 00:49:09,050
the ones who wouldn't back up they

1260
00:49:13,720 --> 00:49:11,720
simply killed it was a wrote a book

1261
00:49:15,700 --> 00:49:13,730
called fallen about for these guys

1262
00:49:18,089 --> 00:49:15,710
native guys in Vancouver who would not

1263
00:49:21,820 --> 00:49:18,099
abandon me and they're all killed and

1264
00:49:25,780 --> 00:49:21,830
medic a lethal injection or beaten by

1265
00:49:27,609 --> 00:49:25,790
cops and Vancouver beaten it up and you

1266
00:49:28,810 --> 00:49:27,619
know it's it's when you're living that

1267
00:49:32,140 --> 00:49:28,820
everyday when you're living in a war

1268
00:49:33,700 --> 00:49:32,150
zone there's another part of us if you

1269
00:49:35,380 --> 00:49:33,710
don't collapse entirely there's

1270
00:49:37,630 --> 00:49:35,390
something else that starts rising in us

1271
00:49:39,849 --> 00:49:37,640
and it's it's it's something that can

1272
00:49:42,310 --> 00:49:39,859
only be present in adversity it's really

1273
00:49:44,260 --> 00:49:42,320
interesting because in the good times

1274
00:49:46,690 --> 00:49:44,270
you don't experience this this strong

1275
00:49:49,089 --> 00:49:46,700
part of us this immortal part I think

1276
00:49:51,010 --> 00:49:49,099
this part that can't be broken it only

1277
00:49:54,010 --> 00:49:51,020
steps out in the hard times when you win

1278
00:49:55,540 --> 00:49:54,020
not just a hard time like poor me look

1279
00:49:58,359 --> 00:49:55,550
at what's happening to be but know if

1280
00:49:59,800 --> 00:49:58,369
you're in a righteous cause and you have

1281
00:50:02,829 --> 00:49:59,810
to be there you will find the strength

1282
00:50:05,109 --> 00:50:02,839
and protection it's like classic example

1283
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:05,119
I was living eventually was living out

1284
00:50:09,790 --> 00:50:08,210
of my car I was homeless saving up the

1285
00:50:14,260 --> 00:50:09,800
few bucks I had a week to see my

1286
00:50:15,370 --> 00:50:14,270
children you know and I had 20 bucks

1287
00:50:17,530 --> 00:50:15,380
left I'm walking down the street

1288
00:50:19,270 --> 00:50:17,540
Hastings Street it's a poor part of

1289
00:50:21,670 --> 00:50:19,280
Vancouver where I did a lot of my work

1290
00:50:24,430 --> 00:50:21,680
and there's an entire homeless family

1291
00:50:27,730 --> 00:50:24,440
just sitting on the sidewalk okay and

1292
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:27,740
native family nothing so hell they

1293
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:29,690
needed the 20 bucks more than I did so I

1294
00:50:34,150 --> 00:50:33,050
give it to them they're all right about

1295
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:34,160
an hour later I'm

1296
00:50:38,940 --> 00:50:35,930
walking down the street and there's

1297
00:50:41,260 --> 00:50:38,950
another 20 line on at my feet right and

1298
00:50:43,690 --> 00:50:41,270
it happens that way that's just one

1299
00:50:45,250 --> 00:50:43,700
example but whenever I would go out on a

1300
00:50:48,850 --> 00:50:45,260
limb and just keep going boom their

1301
00:50:50,890 --> 00:50:48,860
support support comes and you have it

1302
00:50:52,750 --> 00:50:50,900
but the more you think about yourself

1303
00:50:54,910 --> 00:50:52,760
the less s there you've got to be

1304
00:50:57,790 --> 00:50:54,920
focused on what's right what other

1305
00:50:59,200 --> 00:50:57,800
people need and I kept thinking I am NOT

1306
00:51:01,000 --> 00:50:59,210
gonna let these bastards get away with

1307
00:51:01,870 --> 00:51:01,010
this right they're not going to get away

1308
00:51:03,790 --> 00:51:01,880
with this again

1309
00:51:05,830 --> 00:51:03,800
I just won't every day I had to live

1310
00:51:09,460 --> 00:51:05,840
without resolve and after a while you

1311
00:51:11,590 --> 00:51:09,470
just find there's a different person

1312
00:51:13,510 --> 00:51:11,600
there's a different identity that grows

1313
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:13,520
up in you and it's certainly not the way

1314
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:16,010
that I was twenty years ago or even 10

1315
00:51:19,660 --> 00:51:17,570
years ago you change I mean we all

1316
00:51:22,420 --> 00:51:19,670
change over life and we have many lives

1317
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:22,430
if we're on the right path I think what

1318
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:25,570
was it like sitting with and

1319
00:51:32,020 --> 00:51:29,210
experiencing the pain of others because

1320
00:51:34,210 --> 00:51:32,030
I think that's something else that for

1321
00:51:37,690 --> 00:51:34,220
really going to be honest most of us

1322
00:51:40,390 --> 00:51:37,700
shield ourselves from you didn't so

1323
00:51:43,090 --> 00:51:40,400
those even early on those people who

1324
00:51:46,870 --> 00:51:43,100
came up and bore witness on the pulpit

1325
00:51:48,340 --> 00:51:46,880
that had to crush your soul you continue

1326
00:51:50,020 --> 00:51:48,350
to put yourself in those situations

1327
00:51:51,850 --> 00:51:50,030
where most of us would just go you know

1328
00:51:53,980 --> 00:51:51,860
I don't want to really hear about that

1329
00:51:55,780 --> 00:51:53,990
and then when it comes to satanic ritual

1330
00:51:57,460 --> 00:51:55,790
abuse by God I don't want to hear about

1331
00:51:59,320 --> 00:51:57,470
that I'm sure that doesn't exist because

1332
00:52:01,630 --> 00:51:59,330
I can't even imagine that

1333
00:52:04,270 --> 00:52:01,640
and then like you said oh I can imagine

1334
00:52:06,970 --> 00:52:04,280
Oh some lesson human person but really a

1335
00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:06,980
nice kid just like my kid that's

1336
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:10,240
happening to in some part of Vancouver

1337
00:52:14,260 --> 00:52:11,690
Washington

1338
00:52:16,090 --> 00:52:14,270
wherever some in California I don't even

1339
00:52:17,940 --> 00:52:16,100
want to go there and you go there over

1340
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:17,950
and over again I was about to say that

1341
00:52:23,020 --> 00:52:20,570
when I was in the church and people get

1342
00:52:25,300 --> 00:52:23,030
a phone speak from the pulpit it shot me

1343
00:52:27,130 --> 00:52:25,310
but it didn't rock my world yet because

1344
00:52:29,470 --> 00:52:27,140
it was still abstract it's only when I

1345
00:52:32,430 --> 00:52:29,480
lost my own children and I saw how the

1346
00:52:35,170 --> 00:52:32,440
church brutally took my children from me

1347
00:52:38,290 --> 00:52:35,180
damn be gay and be open to the fact that

1348
00:52:40,330 --> 00:52:38,300
they may have heard other that critical

1349
00:52:42,370 --> 00:52:40,340
children because I saw what they did to

1350
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:42,380
my own children and me so you need a

1351
00:52:47,410 --> 00:52:44,570
personal experience to hang it on right

1352
00:52:47,980 --> 00:52:47,420
and then your heart opens up so I was

1353
00:52:49,180 --> 00:52:47,990
able to

1354
00:52:51,130 --> 00:52:49,190
to their pain because I was going

1355
00:52:53,830 --> 00:52:51,140
through the same pain what it was like

1356
00:52:55,450 --> 00:52:53,840
not to see my kids every day and and to

1357
00:52:57,460 --> 00:52:55,460
be vilified and attacked and

1358
00:52:58,750 --> 00:52:57,470
impoverished and saying just because I

1359
00:53:00,460 --> 00:52:58,760
was talking about things they did you

1360
00:53:03,190 --> 00:53:00,470
know the the perpetrators didn't want to

1361
00:53:04,660 --> 00:53:03,200
have heard right so you need a personal

1362
00:53:08,380 --> 00:53:04,670
experience you go to to get develop real

1363
00:53:10,620 --> 00:53:08,390
empathy right and what about beyond that

1364
00:53:14,109 --> 00:53:10,630
because you've gone much further I

1365
00:53:15,730 --> 00:53:14,119
mentioned satanic ritual abuse which

1366
00:53:16,990 --> 00:53:15,740
immediately is going to shut a lot of

1367
00:53:19,690 --> 00:53:17,000
people down because they've been

1368
00:53:22,750 --> 00:53:19,700
conditioned to think that that can't

1369
00:53:24,370 --> 00:53:22,760
possibly be true it's satanic panic it's

1370
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:24,380
all the rest of this stuff that if

1371
00:53:28,710 --> 00:53:26,210
anyone investigates I find that it's

1372
00:53:30,730 --> 00:53:28,720
that's not the case that it is a reality

1373
00:53:32,530 --> 00:53:30,740
how do you get there you haven't

1374
00:53:35,250 --> 00:53:32,540
experienced that you haven't but well

1375
00:53:38,890 --> 00:53:35,260
but but you somehow opened yourself up

1376
00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:38,900
to that and incorporated that in but I'm

1377
00:53:43,540 --> 00:53:40,730
particularly interested in how you

1378
00:53:46,690 --> 00:53:43,550
understand that spiritually and I mean

1379
00:53:50,710 --> 00:53:46,700
spiritually in the broadest terms of who

1380
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:50,720
you are well I've had experienced when I

1381
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:52,130
was a minister in Port Alberni

1382
00:53:56,980 --> 00:53:54,530
anti-party in an exorcism and then I

1383
00:54:00,849 --> 00:53:56,990
conducted other ones I've done three in

1384
00:54:04,750 --> 00:54:00,859
total and including one outside the

1385
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:04,760
Vatican ten years ago - and now what's

1386
00:54:09,730 --> 00:54:07,490
interesting about that is I had I had it

1387
00:54:12,130 --> 00:54:09,740
I came face to face with something and

1388
00:54:15,190 --> 00:54:12,140
it's very difficult to try to put into

1389
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:15,200
words but it confirming with the reality

1390
00:54:22,300 --> 00:54:20,690
of this this people and how it operates

1391
00:54:24,970 --> 00:54:22,310
through people how it subverts and

1392
00:54:26,770 --> 00:54:24,980
controls people and how it reaches have

1393
00:54:29,590 --> 00:54:26,780
all the time to try to do that dollops

1394
00:54:32,290 --> 00:54:29,600
right and how we need to be very self

1395
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:32,300
aware and vigilant all the time

1396
00:54:38,349 --> 00:54:33,890
especially when you're doing this

1397
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:38,359
frontline work right so that helped you

1398
00:54:42,130 --> 00:54:39,890
know to have had that experience but

1399
00:54:45,670 --> 00:54:42,140
ultimately there's nothing how can you

1400
00:54:47,620 --> 00:54:45,680
even imagine you know these these

1401
00:54:50,859 --> 00:54:47,630
verified accounts of ceremonies where

1402
00:54:54,099 --> 00:54:50,869
children are ritually raped tortured

1403
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:54,109
popped up and cannibalized that's part

1404
00:54:57,730 --> 00:54:56,210
of the ceremony promesa strong

1405
00:54:59,470 --> 00:54:57,740
similarity between the black mass

1406
00:55:01,490 --> 00:54:59,480
satanic mass in the Catholic Mass

1407
00:55:03,859 --> 00:55:01,500
because it's believed

1408
00:55:06,170 --> 00:55:03,869
both rituals that you're literally

1409
00:55:08,210 --> 00:55:06,180
eating flesh and blood whether it's the

1410
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:08,220
flesh and blood of Christ or the flesh

1411
00:55:11,870 --> 00:55:10,050
and blood of an innocent child that

1412
00:55:14,839 --> 00:55:11,880
flesh and blood will redeem you somehow

1413
00:55:16,190 --> 00:55:14,849
so it's a it's not a big stretch to go

1414
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:16,200
from one to the other and that's why so

1415
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:18,210
many satanic rituals tend to be held in

1416
00:55:25,099 --> 00:55:20,570
Catholic churches it's the same energy

1417
00:55:29,050 --> 00:55:25,109
of predatory vampirism really how do you

1418
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:29,060
understand that how do you understand

1419
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:33,570
evil so here's my thing like so you were

1420
00:55:41,089 --> 00:55:37,650
confronted an entity in this extended

1421
00:55:44,150 --> 00:55:41,099
consciousness realm that you identified

1422
00:55:45,710 --> 00:55:44,160
with being evil right so we get that

1423
00:55:49,220 --> 00:55:45,720
we've heard that too many times to

1424
00:55:51,890 --> 00:55:49,230
ignore it but you are a spirit do you

1425
00:55:54,890 --> 00:55:51,900
accept that you are spiritual being as

1426
00:55:57,260 --> 00:55:54,900
well I mean okay and that there's a

1427
00:55:59,000 --> 00:55:57,270
greater part of your spirit that isn't

1428
00:56:00,560 --> 00:55:59,010
in that same realm at the same time that

1429
00:56:03,020 --> 00:56:00,570
you're down here maybe that's too much

1430
00:56:06,410 --> 00:56:03,030
of a stretch but I guess what I'm trying

1431
00:56:12,620 --> 00:56:06,420
to understand is how do you reconcile

1432
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:12,630
that with the light with what you're

1433
00:56:18,140 --> 00:56:15,690
here to do with positive things I always

1434
00:56:21,500 --> 00:56:18,150
have a problem with trying to wrap my

1435
00:56:23,780 --> 00:56:21,510
arms around the evil thing and truly

1436
00:56:26,240 --> 00:56:23,790
really try and understand it and I

1437
00:56:28,690 --> 00:56:26,250
always put it in this as below so above

1438
00:56:31,070 --> 00:56:28,700
things you know if we want to find evil

1439
00:56:33,380 --> 00:56:31,080
you've found it all over the place down

1440
00:56:35,620 --> 00:56:33,390
here and the fact that you found it at

1441
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:35,630
the Vatican when you did the exorcism is

1442
00:56:42,099 --> 00:56:40,050
further confirmation of this as below so

1443
00:56:44,570 --> 00:56:42,109
above now you've spoken to how to

1444
00:56:46,670 --> 00:56:44,580
transcend that but I was wondering if

1445
00:56:50,060 --> 00:56:46,680
you have any more thoughts on what is

1446
00:56:53,810 --> 00:56:50,070
your personal understanding of how

1447
00:56:56,540 --> 00:56:53,820
you're supposed to grow in the face of

1448
00:57:00,200 --> 00:56:56,550
that kind of evil well why is it there

1449
00:57:03,470 --> 00:57:00,210
for you what is it for you to how are

1450
00:57:06,260 --> 00:57:03,480
you supposed to transcend that well

1451
00:57:08,180 --> 00:57:06,270
don't forget that we rate we're raised

1452
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:08,190
in a culture where we oppose light and

1453
00:57:11,780 --> 00:57:09,810
darkness all the time and we tend to

1454
00:57:14,720 --> 00:57:11,790
project our own shadow or on light onto

1455
00:57:16,790 --> 00:57:14,730
others and we have to be aware of that

1456
00:57:18,740 --> 00:57:16,800
and the reality is light and darkness

1457
00:57:22,190 --> 00:57:18,750
are part of the same phenomenon good and

1458
00:57:24,500 --> 00:57:22,200
evil are part of God and the reality is

1459
00:57:26,270 --> 00:57:24,510
that you know there's day and then

1460
00:57:27,950 --> 00:57:26,280
there's night we're not afraid of the 9

1461
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:27,960
alleges to child and you don't know any

1462
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:29,130
better

1463
00:57:34,339 --> 00:57:31,410
that evil for example men who did this

1464
00:57:37,030 --> 00:57:34,349
to me who took my children from me who

1465
00:57:38,930 --> 00:57:37,040
were destroyed my name publicly

1466
00:57:40,700 --> 00:57:38,940
permitted me from working all of this

1467
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:40,710
stuff I was tempted to hate them for

1468
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:43,680
their hypocrisy and and the evil of what

1469
00:57:47,900 --> 00:57:46,290
they had done and then I realized but

1470
00:57:52,310 --> 00:57:47,910
wait a minute it's because of them that

1471
00:57:58,099 --> 00:57:52,320
I'm in my situation now the evil people

1472
00:58:00,440 --> 00:57:58,109
are our unwitting allies you know in the

1473
00:58:02,089 --> 00:58:00,450
Tibetan Book of the Dead they say be

1474
00:58:02,450 --> 00:58:02,099
thankful for your enemy he shows you who

1475
00:58:05,750 --> 00:58:02,460
you are

1476
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:05,760
and it's true there's this kind of dance

1477
00:58:11,329 --> 00:58:09,210
we do where we are sharpened we made

1478
00:58:15,770 --> 00:58:11,339
clear by our interaction with what we

1479
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:15,780
call evil and so I it's not so much I

1480
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:17,280
feel as an enemy about a different

1481
00:58:22,630 --> 00:58:19,530
aspect of humanity that if it's out of

1482
00:58:24,740 --> 00:58:22,640
balance can cause massive destruction

1483
00:58:26,030 --> 00:58:24,750
now I don't want to tribute I don't want

1484
00:58:28,700 --> 00:58:26,040
to make it too abstract because in

1485
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:28,710
practice the evil people do is horrible

1486
00:58:32,750 --> 00:58:30,450
especially when the same to children

1487
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:32,760
it's there is a force that operates

1488
00:58:37,970 --> 00:58:35,250
through us that seeks our own

1489
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:37,980
destruction that start debasement on our

1490
00:58:42,079 --> 00:58:40,050
corruption I believe that and there's

1491
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:42,089
also that force in us that's resisting

1492
00:58:46,339 --> 00:58:43,890
that that is right and that encourages

1493
00:58:49,190 --> 00:58:46,349
us to rise up to our true higher self

1494
00:58:52,370 --> 00:58:49,200
right and that's a war inside every soul

1495
00:58:55,370 --> 00:58:52,380
right I mean we're all facing that that

1496
00:58:56,870 --> 00:58:55,380
those two forces all the time I think

1497
00:59:00,829 --> 00:58:56,880
it's a matter of knowing how they can

1498
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:00,839
also assist each other and I mean you

1499
00:59:05,050 --> 00:59:03,450
know it's it's something that everyone

1500
00:59:08,030 --> 00:59:05,060
has to experience in their own way but

1501
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:08,040
it isn't that the whole notion that

1502
00:59:11,089 --> 00:59:09,810
we're good in their bed that's what's

1503
00:59:14,990 --> 00:59:11,099
causing a lot of problem in the world

1504
00:59:17,329 --> 00:59:15,000
because um well you know it's like I got

1505
00:59:19,010 --> 00:59:17,339
a my grandmother gave me a poem once

1506
00:59:21,530 --> 00:59:19,020
when I was really little and it said

1507
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:21,540
there's so much good in the worst of us

1508
00:59:26,390 --> 00:59:23,730
and so much bad and the best of us and

1509
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:26,400
it isn't right for any of us to think

1510
00:59:29,450 --> 00:59:28,650
other than the rest of us you know what

1511
00:59:32,059 --> 00:59:29,460
I mean

1512
00:59:34,250 --> 00:59:32,069
no I do not I do know what you mean and

1513
00:59:37,789 --> 00:59:34,260
I think that you did a nice job there of

1514
00:59:40,700 --> 00:59:37,799
saying kind of articulating the struggle

1515
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:40,710
that we all face because we do have to

1516
00:59:46,309 --> 00:59:43,890
take a stand and and say there is a

1517
00:59:48,700 --> 00:59:46,319
moral imperative there is a good there

1518
00:59:51,230 --> 00:59:48,710
is a right or wrong there is no kind of

1519
00:59:53,809 --> 00:59:51,240
morality isn't just an abstraction

1520
00:59:55,309 --> 00:59:53,819
because we all experience that in our

1521
00:59:56,990 --> 00:59:55,319
own heart we know what's right we know

1522
00:59:59,180 --> 00:59:57,000
what's wrong even if we understand that

1523
01:00:02,120 --> 00:59:59,190
we don't always make the right decisions

1524
01:00:04,460 --> 01:00:02,130
and none of us do so yeah but it's like

1525
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:04,470
an example to is like at pet benefits

1526
01:00:11,180 --> 01:00:07,650
right when people are dying think is

1527
01:00:13,130 --> 01:00:11,190
death evil no it's part of life it's a

1528
01:00:14,809 --> 01:00:13,140
normal process and yet how people relate

1529
01:00:17,059 --> 01:00:14,819
to it like I saw this all the time in

1530
01:00:19,910 --> 01:00:17,069
proto Bernie when native families have a

1531
01:00:21,230 --> 01:00:19,920
death everyone would mourn they'd be

1532
01:00:23,089 --> 01:00:21,240
that all the family to get together

1533
01:00:26,299 --> 01:00:23,099
they'd be screaming that'd be wailing

1534
01:00:27,799 --> 01:00:26,309
and then it was okay right you bring in

1535
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:27,809
a wife family and they're all in denial

1536
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:29,130
they're saying you'll be up and around

1537
01:00:34,220 --> 01:00:31,170
next week scissor like I was with a

1538
01:00:36,740 --> 01:00:34,230
family who's the mother was dying of

1539
01:00:38,150 --> 01:00:36,750
liver cancer she was only in her 30s her

1540
01:00:40,039 --> 01:00:38,160
husband was saying don't worry you'll be

1541
01:00:41,630 --> 01:00:40,049
up and around the prognosis is good I

1542
01:00:43,700 --> 01:00:41,640
said no you got to tell her the truth

1543
01:00:45,980 --> 01:00:43,710
it's the end you've got to say goodbye

1544
01:00:47,900 --> 01:00:45,990
and they hated me for saying that they

1545
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:47,910
wouldn't talk to me after is that you

1546
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:49,170
know they felt that had hurt them by

1547
01:00:52,069 --> 01:00:50,730
telling the truth it's kind of like now

1548
01:00:53,779 --> 01:00:52,079
what I could do with all the Canada or

1549
01:00:55,849 --> 01:00:53,789
the world right they hate the truth

1550
01:00:57,289 --> 01:00:55,859
teller when there's so much pain but at

1551
01:00:59,450 --> 01:00:57,299
some point they have to accept that it's

1552
01:01:01,609 --> 01:00:59,460
over and I use that as a metaphor for

1553
01:01:04,990 --> 01:01:01,619
like the work we all do because yeah our

1554
01:01:07,430 --> 01:01:05,000
society is over I mean this society like

1555
01:01:09,019 --> 01:01:07,440
it's coming down in many ways and we

1556
01:01:10,910 --> 01:01:09,029
have to look at that like shut up that

1557
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:10,920
desk that's not an evil thing that's is

1558
01:01:16,299 --> 01:01:13,410
necessary if we're gonna transform go

1559
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:16,309
beyond it right yeah I'm not so sure and

1560
01:01:22,089 --> 01:01:19,410
and we could get off on that whole thing

1561
01:01:25,130 --> 01:01:22,099
and I think that there's there is

1562
01:01:27,049 --> 01:01:25,140
another side of that in the same way

1563
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:27,059
that we talked about conspiracy and how

1564
01:01:30,950 --> 01:01:28,890
things get co-opted and I'm always very

1565
01:01:34,430 --> 01:01:30,960
suspicious of all the messages out there

1566
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:34,440
but the death cults environmentalism

1567
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:38,250
thing I think is kind of a misstep the

1568
01:01:42,500 --> 01:01:40,170
end of the world thing I

1569
01:01:44,810 --> 01:01:42,510
is kind of a misstep the collapse of

1570
01:01:48,260 --> 01:01:44,820
society I think is kind of a misstep

1571
01:01:51,140 --> 01:01:48,270
I'm totally energized by your activism

1572
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:51,150
and your ability to kind of continue to

1573
01:01:56,500 --> 01:01:53,970
to carry on in the way that you do but I

1574
01:01:59,750 --> 01:01:56,510
don't necessarily have to sign up for

1575
01:02:02,870 --> 01:01:59,760
for all the rest of that stuff but

1576
01:02:04,580 --> 01:02:02,880
that's okay I didn't mean I wasn't

1577
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:04,590
trying to say an end of world scenario

1578
01:02:08,660 --> 01:02:06,210
I'm just saying that is clear to me

1579
01:02:11,510 --> 01:02:08,670
every day on the ground that the society

1580
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:11,520
to produce this genocide it can't

1581
01:02:20,180 --> 01:02:16,770
sustain itself because it's it's so it's

1582
01:02:21,950 --> 01:02:20,190
so soulless and so corrupt that there's

1583
01:02:23,420 --> 01:02:21,960
got to be this other friend I see this

1584
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:23,430
other force rising all the time to

1585
01:02:26,810 --> 01:02:25,290
replace it it's this dance going on

1586
01:02:29,870 --> 01:02:26,820
right and we have to run on the stuff

1587
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:29,880
coming up absolutely but we also have to

1588
01:02:33,230 --> 01:02:32,010
let go of what needs to fall and that's

1589
01:02:34,910 --> 01:02:33,240
hard for people because we all have a

1590
01:02:36,980 --> 01:02:34,920
vested interest in the system to some

1591
01:02:37,550 --> 01:02:36,990
degree right so I mean it's it's a dance

1592
01:02:41,150 --> 01:02:37,560
right

1593
01:02:42,110 --> 01:02:41,160
it is a dance I do think it helps and

1594
01:02:43,820 --> 01:02:42,120
that's one of the things I like about

1595
01:02:45,380 --> 01:02:43,830
your work and even when we talk about

1596
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:45,390
some of these extreme things that people

1597
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:47,210
are gonna have a really hard time

1598
01:02:51,890 --> 01:02:50,490
accepting like I said ritual satanic

1599
01:02:54,860 --> 01:02:51,900
abuse kind of thing we'll talk about the

1600
01:02:57,410 --> 01:02:54,870
pedo Pope in a minute people just can't

1601
01:02:59,210 --> 01:02:57,420
go there but that's why I think you have

1602
01:03:02,090 --> 01:02:59,220
to go because the other thing you're

1603
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:02,100
saying is is so gray and people can have

1604
01:03:07,910 --> 01:03:04,410
legitimate differences of opinion about

1605
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:07,920
it like whether you tell someone you

1606
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:09,570
know my wife is a forensic psychologist

1607
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:12,450
was just sharing with me a story I think

1608
01:03:15,500 --> 01:03:13,890
she'd watched in this documentary

1609
01:03:19,070 --> 01:03:15,510
there's kind of the opposite of your

1610
01:03:22,930 --> 01:03:19,080
story she said in in Japan if they

1611
01:03:27,350 --> 01:03:22,940
receive news from a medical doctor that

1612
01:03:29,570 --> 01:03:27,360
Aunt Jenny is dying they would never

1613
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:29,580
tell that person that never tell that

1614
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:31,290
person and as a matter of fact that

1615
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:33,210
would kind of orchestrate this myth

1616
01:03:38,060 --> 01:03:35,250
around it of just no no everything's

1617
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:38,070
going to be okay and sometimes things

1618
01:03:44,330 --> 01:03:42,090
are okay and sometimes you can justify

1619
01:03:46,250 --> 01:03:44,340
that maybe there's some kind of placebo

1620
01:03:49,250 --> 01:03:46,260
effect going on there too or maybe

1621
01:03:52,070 --> 01:03:49,260
that's in the hands of some force that's

1622
01:03:52,870 --> 01:03:52,080
beyond us to reinforce what is sometimes

1623
01:03:55,549 --> 01:03:52,880
a very

1624
01:03:58,790 --> 01:03:55,559
hookey and corrupt medical system that

1625
01:04:01,040 --> 01:03:58,800
is very much into this mechanized idea

1626
01:04:03,980 --> 01:04:01,050
that we have figured out all the stats

1627
01:04:08,030 --> 01:04:03,990
on your entire thing - so all that's a

1628
01:04:12,559 --> 01:04:08,040
gray area what isn't a gray area to me

1629
01:04:16,940 --> 01:04:12,569
is pedo Pope you've done an unbelievable

1630
01:04:18,109 --> 01:04:16,950
job of documenting ongoing so that's one

1631
01:04:20,270 --> 01:04:18,119
people one of things I want people to

1632
01:04:23,150 --> 01:04:20,280
understand about your work and if they

1633
01:04:25,730 --> 01:04:23,160
go to murder by decree calm they'll find

1634
01:04:27,230 --> 01:04:25,740
your ongoing investigations of things

1635
01:04:31,370 --> 01:04:27,240
that are happening today

1636
01:04:35,030 --> 01:04:31,380
2019 and again you are a living history

1637
01:04:37,910 --> 01:04:35,040
to connect those with this conspiracy

1638
01:04:39,829 --> 01:04:37,920
that you've now at this point completely

1639
01:04:41,750 --> 01:04:39,839
documented in a way that it's kind of

1640
01:04:44,150 --> 01:04:41,760
undeniable and you show that it's even

1641
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:44,160
acknowledged quote-unquote acknowledged

1642
01:04:50,270 --> 01:04:46,290
that's an important history because you

1643
01:04:53,599 --> 01:04:50,280
stand there saying all of that so let's

1644
01:04:55,700 --> 01:04:53,609
talk a little bit about the pedo Pope

1645
01:04:57,289 --> 01:04:55,710
because you have some new work on that

1646
01:04:59,900 --> 01:04:57,299
that I wasn't aware of that I think is

1647
01:05:02,240 --> 01:04:59,910
very important you can start anywhere

1648
01:05:04,309 --> 01:05:02,250
you want and talk about what you know

1649
01:05:08,150 --> 01:05:04,319
about the Pope that a lot of other

1650
01:05:10,750 --> 01:05:08,160
people don't know two things first it

1651
01:05:14,270 --> 01:05:10,760
can be pluralized it's not one it's

1652
01:05:20,329 --> 01:05:14,280
Pope's good boy

1653
01:05:24,589 --> 01:05:20,339
oh hello the word at sub VC will know

1654
01:05:26,930 --> 01:05:24,599
about programming for words and the word

1655
01:05:28,579 --> 01:05:26,940
pedophile means friend of children right

1656
01:05:32,569 --> 01:05:28,589
every time I use that word is designed

1657
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:32,579
to minimize and make it seem benign to

1658
01:05:40,250 --> 01:05:37,650
what it is but anyway that's here though

1659
01:05:42,319 --> 01:05:40,260
no no no no no let's let's that's your

1660
01:05:44,599 --> 01:05:42,329
your spot-on and I think you've made

1661
01:05:47,750 --> 01:05:44,609
that point in other cases of language is

1662
01:05:50,839 --> 01:05:47,760
super important softening co-opting

1663
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:50,849
language is super important I didn't

1664
01:05:55,099 --> 01:05:52,770
mean to diminish it of course I also

1665
01:05:58,609 --> 01:05:55,109
wanted we also had have to add a little

1666
01:06:00,410 --> 01:05:58,619
bit of lightness to this if we were if

1667
01:06:02,299 --> 01:06:00,420
we can to kind of drive it into people

1668
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:02,309
but you're right it's that the rape

1669
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:06,210
torture murder exploitation in film

1670
01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:08,850
uh that they do they snuff films and all

1671
01:06:14,180 --> 01:06:12,570
that so it's the worst and worst yeah

1672
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:14,190
well I mean if you talking to the

1673
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:15,330
present guy in Rome right

1674
01:06:23,510 --> 01:06:21,210
bergoglio overhead belly oh sure um well

1675
01:06:26,410 --> 01:06:23,520
he was brought in as a spin doctor after

1676
01:06:29,990 --> 01:06:26,420
we first harassing her to resign in 2013

1677
01:06:31,550 --> 01:06:30,000
you know his history is horrible if you

1678
01:06:34,570 --> 01:06:31,560
look into what he did as an archbishop

1679
01:06:37,850 --> 01:06:34,580
in Argentina during the dirty wars

1680
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:37,860
relations guy for the Hunta turning a

1681
01:06:41,540 --> 01:06:39,210
blind eye when his own priests were

1682
01:06:43,250 --> 01:06:41,550
being tortured to death trafficking

1683
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:43,260
children of political prisoners which is

1684
01:06:48,890 --> 01:06:45,570
an old practice in the Catholic Church

1685
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:48,900
they did in Franco Spain for a lot of

1686
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:51,570
money and his involvement with the ninth

1687
01:06:55,460 --> 01:06:53,250
circle satanic cult which has been

1688
01:06:57,920 --> 01:06:55,470
attested to by eyewitnesses who were

1689
01:07:00,350 --> 01:06:57,930
there including people sources within

1690
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:00,360
the Dutch royal family because present

1691
01:07:03,470 --> 01:07:01,890
queen of the Netherlands Maxie misery

1692
01:07:06,310 --> 01:07:03,480
egg is an old friend of his she's from

1693
01:07:08,870 --> 01:07:06,320
Argentina her father was the hanta

1694
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:08,880
according to Alistair who's a journalist

1695
01:07:12,620 --> 01:07:10,530
in the netherlands who's been working in

1696
01:07:14,570 --> 01:07:12,630
our network she found out that bergoglio

1697
01:07:17,510 --> 01:07:14,580
and her had been in a relationship for

1698
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:17,520
some years and she's been paying him

1699
01:07:23,780 --> 01:07:19,770
money for a number of years in an

1700
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:23,790
Argentine bank account now in other

1701
01:07:27,170 --> 01:07:25,290
words this guy's just as dirty as all

1702
01:07:29,870 --> 01:07:27,180
his predecessors but he's got the public

1703
01:07:31,490 --> 01:07:29,880
relations smiley Pope image but it's

1704
01:07:32,990 --> 01:07:31,500
funny how the mass slips with these guys

1705
01:07:35,630 --> 01:07:33,000
like remember he was in America a few

1706
01:07:37,460 --> 01:07:35,640
years ago and all of the time then he's

1707
01:07:40,700 --> 01:07:37,470
posing is this nice liberal progressive

1708
01:07:43,730 --> 01:07:40,710
Pope um he goes out to gives a talk

1709
01:07:45,470 --> 01:07:43,740
about Junipero Serra who was a

1710
01:07:48,050 --> 01:07:45,480
Franciscan missionary who personally

1711
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:48,060
worked to death thousands of Indians on

1712
01:07:52,010 --> 01:07:49,730
his plantation in California and

1713
01:07:53,990 --> 01:07:52,020
bergoglio turns the key has a

1714
01:07:56,750 --> 01:07:54,000
beatification ceremony he makes this

1715
01:08:00,770 --> 01:07:56,760
guy's Saint and he says we're inspired

1716
01:08:03,110 --> 01:08:00,780
by his zeal in killing off thousands of

1717
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:03,120
non-believers so even with the liberal

1718
01:08:06,830 --> 01:08:04,530
element of the church they still all

1719
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:06,840
believe they all line that you should

1720
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:08,850
tell off non-believers that is they're

1721
01:08:12,500 --> 01:08:10,530
not human beings until it can become

1722
01:08:15,830 --> 01:08:12,510
baptized their further their cannon

1723
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:15,840
fodder for our we want right and it's

1724
01:08:19,700 --> 01:08:18,570
endemic in that in the mindset so the

1725
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:19,710
appearance

1726
01:08:24,289 --> 01:08:22,170
and puppet is one thing but the reality

1727
01:08:26,329 --> 01:08:24,299
is the same it's the same entity right

1728
01:08:28,729 --> 01:08:26,339
and and that's kind of how I approach

1729
01:08:30,440 --> 01:08:28,739
this whole thing of well it doesn't one

1730
01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:30,450
element in the church that's bad it's

1731
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:32,250
the nature of the beast to be doing this

1732
01:08:38,570 --> 01:08:35,730
right these crimes against children well

1733
01:08:41,059 --> 01:08:38,580
I think we need to speak to all of that

1734
01:08:43,970 --> 01:08:41,069
in a couple of ways and one from the

1735
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:43,980
beginning it's always been about control

1736
01:08:49,789 --> 01:08:47,370
first and foremost and then all evil

1737
01:08:52,220 --> 01:08:49,799
kind of springs forth from that but it's

1738
01:08:53,990 --> 01:08:52,230
it's about controlling people then I

1739
01:08:57,220 --> 01:08:54,000
think we've already talked about the

1740
01:09:00,349 --> 01:08:57,230
Christ consciousness that you're not

1741
01:09:03,440 --> 01:09:00,359
you're not averse to the idea that there

1742
01:09:06,740 --> 01:09:03,450
is a light that shines somehow shines

1743
01:09:11,059 --> 01:09:06,750
through all this and that Christians who

1744
01:09:13,070 --> 01:09:11,069
find a spiritual awakening in themselves

1745
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:13,080
and then associate that with their

1746
01:09:18,050 --> 01:09:15,930
religion that's not a problem but it may

1747
01:09:20,150 --> 01:09:18,060
not be the source of it either if you

1748
01:09:22,220 --> 01:09:20,160
know what I mean so people do have

1749
01:09:25,130 --> 01:09:22,230
genuine spiritual transformed

1750
01:09:27,769 --> 01:09:25,140
experiences inside of the Christian

1751
01:09:29,420 --> 01:09:27,779
Church I think what you're saying or let

1752
01:09:32,140 --> 01:09:29,430
me just say what I'm saying but that

1753
01:09:35,510 --> 01:09:32,150
doesn't mean that the organization isn't

1754
01:09:38,329 --> 01:09:35,520
fundamentally corrupt in fundamentally

1755
01:09:40,910 --> 01:09:38,339
serving a different purpose than what

1756
01:09:44,959 --> 01:09:40,920
most people think it is and that's the

1757
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:44,969
only way I can understand the dichotomy

1758
01:09:49,610 --> 01:09:47,370
what we see because there are good

1759
01:09:52,249 --> 01:09:49,620
people in the church there are people of

1760
01:09:56,570 --> 01:09:52,259
a good heart there are people that are

1761
01:09:58,220 --> 01:09:56,580
trying to listen to the voice inside

1762
01:10:00,170 --> 01:09:58,230
their head that wants them to do good

1763
01:10:01,850 --> 01:10:00,180
maybe you want to speak to that a little

1764
01:10:05,209 --> 01:10:01,860
bit since I gave a little rant there

1765
01:10:07,190 --> 01:10:05,219
well there were good there were good

1766
01:10:08,630 --> 01:10:07,200
Germans too if you want to if you want

1767
01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:08,640
to look at them individually in

1768
01:10:11,870 --> 01:10:10,170
isolation from the collective that

1769
01:10:13,340 --> 01:10:11,880
they're part of yeah there's good people

1770
01:10:15,709 --> 01:10:13,350
all over the place but if you step back

1771
01:10:16,729 --> 01:10:15,719
and look at I'm saying something

1772
01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:16,739
different though I'd like to hear you

1773
01:10:21,170 --> 01:10:19,410
just comment on this yeah do you believe

1774
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:21,180
that people have spiritually

1775
01:10:25,370 --> 01:10:23,489
transformative experiences and II

1776
01:10:30,590 --> 01:10:25,380
believe that those spiritually

1777
01:10:32,660 --> 01:10:30,600
transformative spiritual being that they

1778
01:10:33,729 --> 01:10:32,670
understand to be Christ and the reason I

1779
01:10:35,530 --> 01:10:33,739
say it

1780
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:35,540
that way the reason I question it is you

1781
01:10:40,959 --> 01:10:37,130
know I've done 50 shows on near-death

1782
01:10:43,060 --> 01:10:40,969
experience where people not only say

1783
01:10:45,370 --> 01:10:43,070
they had this experience but their life

1784
01:10:48,100 --> 01:10:45,380
is witness to that their life changes in

1785
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:48,110
dramatic ways and they do things all the

1786
01:10:53,620 --> 01:10:51,890
rest so is that real okay well I can't

1787
01:10:54,970 --> 01:10:53,630
judge words really no I can't look into

1788
01:10:56,260 --> 01:10:54,980
another person's soul and say you know I

1789
01:10:58,090 --> 01:10:56,270
know what they're going through I don't

1790
01:11:02,350 --> 01:10:58,100
have the religious belief that one

1791
01:11:04,860 --> 01:11:02,360
person can do that for another but put

1792
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:04,870
it this way Frederick bed was the slave

1793
01:11:10,150 --> 01:11:07,850
but he led the abolitionist movement he

1794
01:11:11,500 --> 01:11:10,160
in his biography he describes half of

1795
01:11:13,630 --> 01:11:11,510
his slave master had a religious

1796
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:13,640
conversion became a Methodist born-again

1797
01:11:17,979 --> 01:11:16,130
Methodist so he expected the slave

1798
01:11:20,470 --> 01:11:17,989
masters then release all the slaves and

1799
01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:20,480
no he became even more brutal because he

1800
01:11:24,910 --> 01:11:23,090
had God on the side and if you have a

1801
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:24,920
genuine spiritual thing why do you need

1802
01:11:28,660 --> 01:11:26,570
a church why do you need a religion to

1803
01:11:30,100 --> 01:11:28,670
express that you don't it's it's the

1804
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:30,110
kingdom of heaven is within you where it

1805
01:11:33,550 --> 01:11:32,210
isn't and if it's within you you don't

1806
01:11:36,490 --> 01:11:33,560
need to express it on Sunday in the

1807
01:11:39,790 --> 01:11:36,500
church right let me true true but people

1808
01:11:42,430 --> 01:11:39,800
can both be true can I mean look I'm not

1809
01:11:44,830 --> 01:11:42,440
a Christian I'm not religious so I'm

1810
01:11:47,940 --> 01:11:44,840
kind of playing devil's advocate here

1811
01:11:50,620 --> 01:11:47,950
but I do I do encounter a lot of people

1812
01:11:52,150 --> 01:11:50,630
who when they encounter this information

1813
01:11:56,650 --> 01:11:52,160
the kind of information you're talking

1814
01:11:59,050 --> 01:11:56,660
about are confronted with the kind of

1815
01:12:02,650 --> 01:11:59,060
impossible option of turning their back

1816
01:12:04,570 --> 01:12:02,660
on a tradition that is so interwoven in

1817
01:12:07,090 --> 01:12:04,580
their family and they just can't do it

1818
01:12:09,610 --> 01:12:07,100
and I do have some empathy for them that

1819
01:12:11,470 --> 01:12:09,620
that they that they have a real

1820
01:12:13,030 --> 01:12:11,480
experience there that they're trying to

1821
01:12:16,930 --> 01:12:13,040
understand it might take them a while to

1822
01:12:19,030 --> 01:12:16,940
do I'd being a minister I've worked in

1823
01:12:20,580 --> 01:12:19,040
churches I know exactly what you're

1824
01:12:23,260 --> 01:12:20,590
talking about

1825
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:23,270
the majority of my parishioners were

1826
01:12:27,250 --> 01:12:25,850
there because it's a social club it's a

1827
01:12:29,740 --> 01:12:27,260
way to reassure because they've always

1828
01:12:31,420 --> 01:12:29,750
done it it's a sentimental family kind

1829
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:31,430
of thing to do okay that's fine like a

1830
01:12:37,180 --> 01:12:34,570
social club fun that necessarily and

1831
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:37,190
Christianity belief in Christ tends to

1832
01:12:41,020 --> 01:12:39,050
get in the way of that you know if

1833
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:41,030
because it's just a spiritual calling

1834
01:12:47,420 --> 01:12:43,130
that's very personal and it's not part

1835
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:47,430
of a group you know they all say in the

1836
01:12:52,750 --> 01:12:49,770
Quakers have a saying God gets lost in a

1837
01:12:55,570 --> 01:12:52,760
crowd and I think that that's true right

1838
01:12:58,580 --> 01:12:55,580
so no I don't believe the idea that

1839
01:13:00,080 --> 01:12:58,590
religion isn't is a Imperial idea that

1840
01:13:01,190 --> 01:13:00,090
everybody has to have one belief that's

1841
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:01,200
coming out of the Roman Empire

1842
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:03,930
originally the Catholic Church is an

1843
01:13:07,610 --> 01:13:05,370
expression of the Roman Empire even the

1844
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:07,620
term is used for popes it's in terms of

1845
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:09,690
the old Emperor's I mean Pontifex

1846
01:13:14,990 --> 01:13:12,090
Maximus you know like all of this stuff

1847
01:13:17,390 --> 01:13:15,000
so there's a history there but it boils

1848
01:13:19,010 --> 01:13:17,400
down to a simple moral and legal fact

1849
01:13:20,570 --> 01:13:19,020
that if you're part of an institution

1850
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:20,580
that's committing crime it doesn't

1851
01:13:24,350 --> 01:13:22,170
matter what your spiritual beliefs are

1852
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:24,360
you're part of a crime reporting money

1853
01:13:27,740 --> 01:13:26,010
in a collection plate you're associated

1854
01:13:30,650 --> 01:13:27,750
with them you're an accessory to a crime

1855
01:13:32,780 --> 01:13:30,660
so we say to people what does that have

1856
01:13:34,550 --> 01:13:32,790
to do with the spiritual coin you can't

1857
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:34,560
be part of that if you're a moral person

1858
01:13:39,170 --> 01:13:36,930
forget about spirituality let's just

1859
01:13:40,730 --> 01:13:39,180
talk about morality and ethics are you

1860
01:13:42,470 --> 01:13:40,740
really going to be associated with these

1861
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:42,480
churches so that the centuries a blood

1862
01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:43,530
on their hands and they're still doing

1863
01:13:47,990 --> 01:13:45,690
these crimes I mean I don't think any

1864
01:13:49,730 --> 01:13:48,000
moral person would do that and so to me

1865
01:13:52,940 --> 01:13:49,740
it boils down to that not spirituality

1866
01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:52,950
right I think you're right Kevin I think

1867
01:13:59,540 --> 01:13:55,890
you're 100% right do you want to speak

1868
01:14:02,450 --> 01:13:59,550
to the idea that this is a problem

1869
01:14:06,050 --> 01:14:02,460
that's been concentrated in the Catholic

1870
01:14:08,870 --> 01:14:06,060
or limited to Catholicism and those darn

1871
01:14:10,250 --> 01:14:08,880
Catholics in that stupid Pope you know

1872
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:10,260
that's not true from your personal

1873
01:14:15,170 --> 01:14:13,290
experience but where does it go why do

1874
01:14:18,140 --> 01:14:15,180
you all the religious you have a great

1875
01:14:19,610 --> 01:14:18,150
some great stuff on the Mormons great

1876
01:14:22,730 --> 01:14:19,620
when I say great of course I mean

1877
01:14:25,100 --> 01:14:22,740
horrific but no and again just so people

1878
01:14:26,690 --> 01:14:25,110
know so I should be reading some of your

1879
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:26,700
stuff in the Mormons I mean I got a fact

1880
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:28,650
check this guy I got a fact check this

1881
01:14:34,820 --> 01:14:30,810
guy he's probably going too far and

1882
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:34,830
again it takes 15 minutes and the sexual

1883
01:14:41,510 --> 01:14:37,650
abuse trials in Bountiful Utah that

1884
01:14:44,420 --> 01:14:41,520
directly connect the current prophet

1885
01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:44,430
leader of the Mormon Church with the

1886
01:14:50,450 --> 01:14:48,210
worst kind of worst kind of crimes

1887
01:14:54,140 --> 01:14:50,460
against children again same kind of

1888
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:54,150
stuff rape torture murder all that kind

1889
01:14:59,630 --> 01:14:56,010
of stuff it's there we can't draw the

1890
01:15:00,859 --> 01:14:59,640
lines completely but we've all seen the

1891
01:15:03,379 --> 01:15:00,869
stories too

1892
01:15:05,959 --> 01:15:03,389
seeing the connections to too many times

1893
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:05,969
now that the burden of proof is on those

1894
01:15:11,780 --> 01:15:08,130
folks to show that those connections

1895
01:15:13,550 --> 01:15:11,790
don't lead were they seen to but I went

1896
01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:13,560
on and on there this isn't just about

1897
01:15:19,129 --> 01:15:17,250
Catholicism right no I mean it was a

1898
01:15:21,620 --> 01:15:19,139
source of a lot of this stuff

1899
01:15:22,790 --> 01:15:21,630
Catholicism means universal and that's

1900
01:15:26,209 --> 01:15:22,800
what I don't like to use the term I mean

1901
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:26,219
it's it's part of the mindset but

1902
01:15:31,580 --> 01:15:29,610
vampire but yeah a lot of the stuff

1903
01:15:33,290 --> 01:15:31,590
start in Rome and it was replicated by

1904
01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:33,300
others there's a strong connection

1905
01:15:37,089 --> 01:15:35,730
between the Mormon Church and the Church

1906
01:15:39,919 --> 01:15:37,099
of Rome

1907
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:39,929
davia mental but a Mormon temple not far

1908
01:15:43,459 --> 01:15:41,610
from the Vatican now and we believe the

1909
01:15:45,770 --> 01:15:43,469
nine circles rituals are going on there

1910
01:15:47,839 --> 01:15:45,780
we have eyewitnesses who brought

1911
01:15:50,540 --> 01:15:47,849
children who satchel had been brought in

1912
01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:50,550
from Macedonia in September and never

1913
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:52,650
came out again that Mormon temple in

1914
01:15:59,149 --> 01:15:54,210
Rome so we know that stuff's going on

1915
01:16:00,859 --> 01:15:59,159
likely and on my shows on the BBS radio

1916
01:16:02,270 --> 01:16:00,869
and here we stand my show if you go back

1917
01:16:04,250 --> 01:16:02,280
in the archives you'll see two

1918
01:16:06,530 --> 01:16:04,260
interviews with insiders who were there

1919
01:16:09,649 --> 01:16:06,540
in the ritual killings under the the

1920
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:09,659
temple in Salt Lake City and even more

1921
01:16:16,399 --> 01:16:12,570
horrible stuff you know what they did to

1922
01:16:18,700 --> 01:16:16,409
people but the reality is this no it

1923
01:16:21,589 --> 01:16:18,710
isn't just the Church of Rome but

1924
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:21,599
whenever however expresses itself it's

1925
01:16:27,740 --> 01:16:23,610
coming from the same spirit which is of

1926
01:16:29,540 --> 01:16:27,750
domination and control and it's

1927
01:16:31,970 --> 01:16:29,550
interesting the the Mormon Church I

1928
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:31,980
believe was set up as a social

1929
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:35,130
engineering project they left behind the

1930
01:16:39,979 --> 01:16:37,170
CIA recruit disproportionately out of

1931
01:16:42,140 --> 01:16:39,989
Mormons it's a very when you talk to the

1932
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:42,150
people there the mentality that control

1933
01:16:45,410 --> 01:16:44,010
they have over people is unbelievable

1934
01:16:47,089 --> 01:16:45,420
they all have to wear certain underwear

1935
01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:47,099
I don't know if you know this it's like

1936
01:16:51,979 --> 01:16:49,170
the Mormon underwear and they believe if

1937
01:16:56,120 --> 01:16:51,989
you take it off your damn it's like it's

1938
01:16:57,709 --> 01:16:56,130
so controlled the thinking and you don't

1939
01:16:59,390 --> 01:16:57,719
have to trace it that far to speed a

1940
01:17:01,850 --> 01:16:59,400
link between the MKULTRA mind control

1941
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:01,860
experiments in the 50s that strong ties

1942
01:17:07,180 --> 01:17:04,530
they had with various religions in not

1943
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:07,190
only getting test subjects children bud

1944
01:17:11,270 --> 01:17:09,690
we programs be good within churches

1945
01:17:13,580 --> 01:17:11,280
because religions are prone to this

1946
01:17:14,090 --> 01:17:13,590
people have handed over their judgment

1947
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:14,100
than the story

1948
01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:15,690
you do another figure somebody knows

1949
01:17:19,250 --> 01:17:17,730
better than them they defer themselves

1950
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:19,260
they live in a victorious condition all

1951
01:17:23,390 --> 01:17:20,850
the time where somebody else is thinking

1952
01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:23,400
for them and it is their the one to make

1953
01:17:27,260 --> 01:17:25,170
the judgments not themselves so it's

1954
01:17:29,090 --> 01:17:27,270
like the slave culture and a culture of

1955
01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:29,100
silence and that's why it's hard for

1956
01:17:34,670 --> 01:17:31,650
these stories to come out but that's the

1957
01:17:36,740 --> 01:17:34,680
the problem it you know the most obvious

1958
01:17:39,890 --> 01:17:36,750
example of it is coming out of Roman has

1959
01:17:44,150 --> 01:17:39,900
for many centuries but it's it's really

1960
01:17:46,340 --> 01:17:44,160
that spirit which is degradation of the

1961
01:17:49,910 --> 01:17:46,350
human soul really it's designed to

1962
01:17:52,370 --> 01:17:49,920
captivate and enslave humanity I believe

1963
01:17:54,350 --> 01:17:52,380
right from them on the ground you know

1964
01:17:56,260 --> 01:17:54,360
as we kind of move towards wrapping

1965
01:17:59,780 --> 01:17:56,270
things up you just set a lot of really

1966
01:18:03,230 --> 01:17:59,790
very important things in my world kind

1967
01:18:06,410 --> 01:18:03,240
of that I wonder about and that is it's

1968
01:18:08,870 --> 01:18:06,420
almost like you sketched out these two

1969
01:18:12,350 --> 01:18:08,880
ladders you know that are leaned up

1970
01:18:14,690 --> 01:18:12,360
against these two evil walls and the one

1971
01:18:18,250 --> 01:18:14,700
ladder is a ladder that we kind of

1972
01:18:22,130 --> 01:18:18,260
understand it's climbing the wall of

1973
01:18:24,850 --> 01:18:22,140
dominance control Empire in a way that

1974
01:18:27,590 --> 01:18:24,860
hey we have to be protected against

1975
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:27,600
whoever you know the Huns that are going

1976
01:18:31,610 --> 01:18:28,890
to march over the hill and there's a

1977
01:18:33,470 --> 01:18:31,620
reality to that because that is our that

1978
01:18:35,150 --> 01:18:33,480
is our history as well whatever that

1979
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:35,160
reality is we all acknowledge that

1980
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:38,010
there's a reality to the fact that we

1981
01:18:43,940 --> 01:18:41,330
give up some of our rights to our

1982
01:18:45,650 --> 01:18:43,950
government in order for protection I

1983
01:18:48,710 --> 01:18:45,660
don't want to go too far with that

1984
01:18:51,290 --> 01:18:48,720
because we couldn't tear that apart but

1985
01:18:53,690 --> 01:18:51,300
there's another ladder and it's leaning

1986
01:18:56,030 --> 01:18:53,700
against a completely different wall and

1987
01:18:58,760 --> 01:18:56,040
it's the wall that you're alluding to

1988
01:19:01,610 --> 01:18:58,770
when you talk about the entity maybe

1989
01:19:05,210 --> 01:19:01,620
that you encountered in your exorcisms

1990
01:19:08,180 --> 01:19:05,220
or the entity that wants things for

1991
01:19:12,230 --> 01:19:08,190
reasons that really don't make any other

1992
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:12,240
sense in that they just move us in some

1993
01:19:16,190 --> 01:19:14,010
dark ways that we totally don't

1994
01:19:19,340 --> 01:19:16,200
understand and then we have the

1995
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:19,350
intersection of those the MKULTRA the

1996
01:19:24,650 --> 01:19:21,810
impossible kind of you know how can you

1997
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:24,660
do those crimes it's like the Holocaust

1998
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:26,970
thing how did we do those crimes how did

1999
01:19:31,540 --> 01:19:27,890
human beings do

2000
01:19:34,900 --> 01:19:31,550
crimes and so what is that relationship

2001
01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:34,910
between those two forces one that we

2002
01:19:40,450 --> 01:19:37,850
understand or we think we understand and

2003
01:19:44,290 --> 01:19:40,460
one that is beyond our grasp for the

2004
01:19:46,180 --> 01:19:44,300
most part it's a mystery to some degree

2005
01:19:50,410 --> 01:19:46,190
it's like when you encounter real

2006
01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:50,420
goodness and real evil are not

2007
01:19:55,480 --> 01:19:52,730
describable they can only be experienced

2008
01:19:57,400 --> 01:19:55,490
and then there's a mystery understand

2009
01:19:58,780 --> 01:19:57,410
ambiguity when you okay when you're in

2010
01:20:00,550 --> 01:19:58,790
love okay

2011
01:20:03,370 --> 01:20:00,560
you can't describe to somebody it's

2012
01:20:05,830 --> 01:20:03,380
there it's life-giving that's beautiful

2013
01:20:07,510 --> 01:20:05,840
there's nothing like it right similarly

2014
01:20:10,090 --> 01:20:07,520
when you're encountering when you're in

2015
01:20:11,820 --> 01:20:10,100
the depth of despair brought about by

2016
01:20:14,830 --> 01:20:11,830
this evil

2017
01:20:16,420 --> 01:20:14,840
there's no way to understand it you

2018
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:16,430
can't understand these things it's

2019
01:20:21,670 --> 01:20:18,650
beyond an understanding but the heart

2020
01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:21,680
has its own understanding right and and

2021
01:20:24,910 --> 01:20:23,570
ultimately our minds can deceive us

2022
01:20:26,890 --> 01:20:24,920
because they're conditioned or program

2023
01:20:28,570 --> 01:20:26,900
they're influenced but our heart Month

2024
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:28,580
and doesn't that consciousness within

2025
01:20:32,110 --> 01:20:30,290
our own heart and soul doesn't ever

2026
01:20:34,180 --> 01:20:32,120
betray us and that's why I say to people

2027
01:20:35,890 --> 01:20:34,190
like before you start with this work

2028
01:20:38,020 --> 01:20:35,900
you've got to do your own personal work

2029
01:20:39,580 --> 01:20:38,030
and every day go there because it's your

2030
01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:39,590
only defense against what you're going

2031
01:20:45,250 --> 01:20:42,530
to go up against you know and then I

2032
01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:45,260
find that you know all the time you have

2033
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:48,290
to do that do you want to speak to that

2034
01:20:55,210 --> 01:20:51,050
for a minute what is your practice how

2035
01:20:56,940 --> 01:20:55,220
do you how do you go there well from you

2036
01:20:59,800 --> 01:20:56,950
open that how do you open that heart

2037
01:21:02,290 --> 01:20:59,810
you're a man you're a man in the Western

2038
01:21:05,130 --> 01:21:02,300
culture which work on a program from the

2039
01:21:08,410 --> 01:21:05,140
beginning to keep that damn thing closed

2040
01:21:10,510 --> 01:21:08,420
and then you've had to endure this kind

2041
01:21:13,870 --> 01:21:10,520
of ongoing you know you reference some

2042
01:21:15,970 --> 01:21:13,880
sue a lot you're a warrior man of the

2043
01:21:18,100 --> 01:21:15,980
ultimate truth seeker warrior and now

2044
01:21:20,170 --> 01:21:18,110
you're speaking that you need to kind of

2045
01:21:24,070 --> 01:21:20,180
let your take off your armor and open

2046
01:21:25,990 --> 01:21:24,080
your heart as part of your your just

2047
01:21:28,930 --> 01:21:26,000
being your spiritual path that though

2048
01:21:30,910 --> 01:21:28,940
how do you do that I I fit in nature I

2049
01:21:32,380 --> 01:21:30,920
said by running water I just remember

2050
01:21:34,780 --> 01:21:32,390
who I was as a little boy running around

2051
01:21:36,190 --> 01:21:34,790
in love with everyone in the world I

2052
01:21:41,150 --> 01:21:36,200
mean you go back to our innocence right

2053
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:41,160
and when I lost my kids I'd see them

2054
01:21:44,780 --> 01:21:43,050
now and then but I dropped him off on

2055
01:21:46,550 --> 01:21:44,790
Sunday night and it was a very bad time

2056
01:21:48,650 --> 01:21:46,560
for me after I dropped them off so all I

2057
01:21:51,500 --> 01:21:48,660
do is get on the bus and I ride around

2058
01:21:53,660 --> 01:21:51,510
and be with people and we have that

2059
01:21:55,880 --> 01:21:53,670
commonality you know I often say to

2060
01:21:57,710 --> 01:21:55,890
people there's more genetic variation in

2061
01:22:01,760 --> 01:21:57,720
one troupe of chimpanzees than the

2062
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:01,770
entire human race we're that close we're

2063
01:22:05,060 --> 01:22:03,210
really the expression of that one soul

2064
01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:05,070
and you feel that when you're in great

2065
01:22:08,870 --> 01:22:07,170
grief you go to people you hang out with

2066
01:22:10,460 --> 01:22:08,880
them you just absorb their energy and

2067
01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:10,470
watch the way they are and you great

2068
01:22:14,480 --> 01:22:13,170
solace in that so we don't isolate I say

2069
01:22:16,340 --> 01:22:14,490
to people the last thing you want to do

2070
01:22:19,460 --> 01:22:16,350
is isolate in the room isolated in a

2071
01:22:22,580 --> 01:22:19,470
life thinking that a counselor is going

2072
01:22:25,730 --> 01:22:22,590
to help you you know when night I tell

2073
01:22:27,200 --> 01:22:25,740
that famous story of William Coombs the

2074
01:22:29,870 --> 01:22:27,210
native guy who when we occupied the

2075
01:22:32,150 --> 01:22:29,880
church he was there with us even though

2076
01:22:33,710 --> 01:22:32,160
it was torture like he heard the chants

2077
01:22:35,780 --> 01:22:33,720
sent of a church bell he'd start getting

2078
01:22:37,460 --> 01:22:35,790
sick because the way he'd been tortured

2079
01:22:39,260 --> 01:22:37,470
in these places yet there he is in

2080
01:22:41,300 --> 01:22:39,270
church with us today we occupied it and

2081
01:22:42,860 --> 01:22:41,310
I said William how could and he was

2082
01:22:45,260 --> 01:22:42,870
really happy to send out flyers from

2083
01:22:47,210 --> 01:22:45,270
people he had no fear it wasn't afraid

2084
01:22:48,650 --> 01:22:47,220
of these priests and he said I didn't

2085
01:22:52,010 --> 01:22:48,660
want to let you guys down I didn't want

2086
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:52,020
to be left out now that that love that

2087
01:22:56,690 --> 01:22:54,810
desire to be with us we did that we

2088
01:22:59,210 --> 01:22:56,700
helped heal in that day not some

2089
01:23:00,860 --> 01:22:59,220
counselor but all of us to get a better

2090
01:23:02,570 --> 01:23:00,870
showing we're not afraid of these people

2091
01:23:04,010 --> 01:23:02,580
we're not afraid of the truth we're

2092
01:23:06,170 --> 01:23:04,020
gonna stand here and help and love each

2093
01:23:08,690 --> 01:23:06,180
other in practice right where it counts

2094
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:08,700
and that he stopped drinking that week

2095
01:23:14,270 --> 01:23:11,370
this bloody Oracle you know if you knew

2096
01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:14,280
his situation but we did that miracle

2097
01:23:18,790 --> 01:23:16,770
together and that's to me I you

2098
01:23:22,370 --> 01:23:18,800
reconnect with that common blood

2099
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:22,380
heartbeat and and you find that nature

2100
01:23:30,620 --> 01:23:26,970
everywhere you know Kevin it's amazing

2101
01:23:33,590 --> 01:23:30,630
your work is amazing on murder by decree

2102
01:23:35,630 --> 01:23:33,600
calm again is the place for people to go

2103
01:23:37,700 --> 01:23:35,640
to stay up-to-date you can not only

2104
01:23:40,580 --> 01:23:37,710
check out the book and word of the book

2105
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:40,590
but it's updated constantly with new

2106
01:23:47,180 --> 01:23:43,890
goings on and I love your show here we

2107
01:23:50,150 --> 01:23:47,190
stand on BBS radio lots of good stuff

2108
01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:50,160
not a lot of filler just like hidden

2109
01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:52,410
with more and more stuff new stuff all

2110
01:23:56,340 --> 01:23:54,130
the time

2111
01:23:57,600 --> 01:23:56,350
I do hope people checkout unrepentant

2112
01:23:59,430 --> 01:23:57,610
and good to know that there's a

2113
01:24:01,860 --> 01:23:59,440
follow-up to that what else can you tell

2114
01:24:05,970 --> 01:24:01,870
people about in terms of what's coming

2115
01:24:08,160 --> 01:24:05,980
up for you well I you know I'm just

2116
01:24:11,370 --> 01:24:08,170
finishing off we've been part of kind of

2117
01:24:13,260 --> 01:24:11,380
a election campaign in Canada to put

2118
01:24:15,330 --> 01:24:13,270
forward the idea the Republic which a

2119
01:24:17,700 --> 01:24:15,340
majority of Canadians like they want and

2120
01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:17,710
then digitized with the British crown

2121
01:24:23,459 --> 01:24:19,210
and that so I mean there's been that

2122
01:24:25,620 --> 01:24:23,469
occupied me but come the new year we're

2123
01:24:28,439 --> 01:24:25,630
starting a whole new campaign I'll be on

2124
01:24:31,260 --> 01:24:28,449
the road doing not just speaking to

2125
01:24:34,500 --> 01:24:31,270
groups but actual conducting training

2126
01:24:35,910 --> 01:24:34,510
workshops in common law especially in

2127
01:24:37,649 --> 01:24:35,920
the states were actually have our

2128
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:37,659
biggest support in America because

2129
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:39,370
people already get this idea to a large

2130
01:24:42,750 --> 01:24:40,570
degree it's already you're raised with

2131
01:24:44,629 --> 01:24:42,760
the idea that you know you're sovereign

2132
01:24:47,129 --> 01:24:44,639
citizens a republic you're not some

2133
01:24:49,500 --> 01:24:47,139
subject somewhere so I'll be in states

2134
01:24:52,590 --> 01:24:49,510
people want to reach me it's the common

2135
01:24:54,090 --> 01:24:52,600
land at gmail.com let me do another

2136
01:24:57,629 --> 01:24:54,100
interview with you you're a great

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interviewer getting into the marrow of

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stuff which I really love so thank you I

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looks appreciate it well that's nice of

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you to say I feel like you know on some

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of these shows I get overexcited

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and that's how it is I've been I've been

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diving into your stuff and I'm just I

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struggle with how to present it because

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I think it's so important and I'm such a

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fan of you as a person and I just think

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there's a million stories that you have

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to tell and it's just been great having

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thank you again we'll talk more thanks

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again to Kevin annette for joining me

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today on skeptic oh the one question I'd

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have to tee up from this interview is do

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you think Kevin's story is true I mean

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this is just another podcast 400 and

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whatever in the series is this possibly

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true mass murder of Indian kids in these

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schools that they forced him into

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satanic ritual abuse long-standing in

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the church and going on today collusion

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between church and state in order to

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commit crimes against children and cry

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in general this is a broad-reaching

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conspiracy that would seem to reach

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every part of society and culture could

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this possibly be true let me know what

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you think to that question and please

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let me know if you have any other

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information I should know about I say

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this all the time but you guys you

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listeners are skeptical have been the

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source of everything that I know on this

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show so we have to keep that system

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going and the best way for you to do it

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is to connect with me comment about the

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show during The Skeptical forum which

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you'll find from The Skeptical website

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and let your voice be heard there and

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share your ideas with other people this

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show was very important to me very

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meaningful in so many ways and I'm so

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grateful to Kevin and the work he's

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doing if you found this show important

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please share it with anyone else you

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think needs to hear about this like I

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always say this show reaches the people

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its boast to reach so if you want to be

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part of that process I certainly invite

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you to do that I have a number of

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interesting interesting shows coming up

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please stay with me for all of that